The Americans will be keen as the QE class equates to another carrier deck now they are talking about reduced super carrier numbers (ironically how they regarded the old Ark Royal in the seventies).
As long as someone tells them to get their mitts off and that the carriers don’t belong to them….:rolleyes:
Yes, and that cost would be the price for a younger hull of twice the displacement, with at least 7 more years of life in it than Durance, with 5950 tons more stores space, with hangar- and maintenance space for 3 Sea King /EH101 sized helicopters (rather than dito for 1 light helicopter), a flight deck with 2 (rather than 1) landing spots for these large choppers and ability to work with 5 such heli’s, and -finally- a better armament/self defence capability.
If the objection to Ft George is that it is single hull i.e. the need/cost of modification with double hull, then it is treated differently than Durance (which is also single hull but slated to get a double hull anyway > that is no extra money to spend for RAN: you either mod one or the other ship). Hence, the only consideration would be the acquisition cost of Ft. George, obviously.
The RAN doesnt have the helicopters to utilise all that extra space on fort george, and doesnt have the ships to require the additional stores capacity.
Looks like the F35B unit cost just went up a little bit more.
Possibly partly why the UK switched their purchase to the F-35C then.
Kinda feel sorry for Italy and Spain. Their carriers can’t really be modified to operate F-35C. Not big enough.
My starter
Type 42 Batch 3
Fitted with Phalanx in B position as intended
Fitted with 2x lightweight 4 round seawolf (and associated 911 radar) as intended
Fitted with MM38 on hangar roof a la Argentinian vesselsWhy?
The T42s served as our workhorses for 30 years but (despte my earlier posts about gws30) never really had a warfighting SSM capability and the losses in Falklands showed the need for a proper point defence (especially against missiles)If possible I’d have liked the missing hull length to have been put into Batch 1s and 2s as some kind of retrofitted plug
Phalanx at B position was trialed on one of the T42 B3’s, HMS Edinburgh and it was found to be unsatisfactory.
Edinburgh can readily be distinguished by her distinctively different forecastle. When it was decided to fit the Phalanx CIWS to this class of warships, it was intended that the Edinburgh should carry a single CIWS unit, mounted forward between her 4.5″ gun and the Sea Dart launcher. To this end, her breakwaters were enlarged and she was fitted with a raised bulwark, very like those carried on the Type 22 frigates.
This location proved to be an unsuitably wet one for the Phalanx system despite the modifications to this warship, and the Edinburgh was later fitted with a pair of wing-mounted CIWS as carried by the other ships of the class, but she retains her distinctive bulwark and enlarged breakwaters.
Also, do the T42’s have the weight margin to have both Exocet and Sea Wolf while not turning turtle.? Plus the space for the optical trackers and computers.
The B1 and B2’s also had a narrower beam (14.3 versus 14.9) so they might not have the stability to have their length increased.
And by that the advertisement claim about the F-35 has worked. “The promised revolution in price and performance”. So every customer “allowed” to procure the “common standard F-35s” has not missed the opportunity to wait for the revolution. Back to reality more and more countries do not eye a F-35 force only and looking for more affordable interim fighters like the SH f.e. To keep the avionics, the related software and weaponary to top of the art is demanding enough for most customers. The UK will not dump the F-35, but it will look for a more affordable mission mix with some healthy competition in price and performance. 😉
The F-18F’s were only purchased because F-35 was not available yet. If the F-35 had been available the RAAF would potentially be converting squadron #2 or 3 to F-35 right about now.
(F-111’s were at the end of the rope and couldn’t hold out another 5 years, plus this has now given more breathing space for the replacement of the F/A-18A+’s.)
If the decision to sell it is made (if it has, it hasn’t been announced yet) the Bay (Largs Bay) is available immediately.
I recommend a time-charter with RFA crew. 😉
Fairly sure the SDR/White Paper said 2012 decom.
The Bay isnt available until 2012 from memory, Ark Royal should be available sometime in the next few months.
Ark Royal would give experience at operating a large throughdeck ship as below flag rank I doubt there is anyone in the ADF still around who served on Melbourne. The current head of the RAAF started out in the RAN as an A4 pilot.
Well, I was thinking Brazil is going to have to come up with a solution to the ex-Foch. As its very expensive to operate and of very limited capability with such a small number of Skyhawks.
As for Australia the Ark Royal doesn’t have a dock. Yet, she could be used as a LHA. Something like the HMS Ocean I suppose……….That said, why not her current role as a Light STOVL Carrier?
If we grabbed her it would only be as an LPH to cover the time between now and when the two LHD’s enter service.
The two LPA’s we have are currently undergoing emergency work to get them operational again after one of them broke down on the way out of sydney harbour, almost hit the cliffs apparrently.
Who cares?? Dr Carlo Kopp only tells you (in almost every his articles) that F-22A is the only western fighter which is deserved to buy right now. So, it is not his fault if your country has no way to buy it ~ It is your fault that why you are not born to be an American 😀
Why would we want them anyway?
As for the last comment, err, i’m glad i’m not an American given how your country is limping along right now….
So what happened to the 10 year Harrier maintenance contract signed with BAe last year or early this year? :confused:
Or did the UK Government find an out?
How many of those 86,000 are working at RN bases repairing ships and maintaining the weapons and ammunition?
How many of those 86,000 are working on RAF bases doing the same things?
Same question for the army.
I;m guessing a very large portion of that 86,000 are in the above roles. Cut them too much and you’ll have a massive impact on the Armed Forces capability…though it looks like they’ve already had massive cuts.
Three Invincible class, including one (Invincible) in reserve – & pretty certain never to be returned to service.
I think I saw on one of the other boards that she was stricken from the reserve list last month.
I higly doubt AgustaWestland will get the work to build the 12 Chinooks.
They have a Chinook production line in Italy, so there is half a chance they could get the order.
I’m not sure Blackhawks are a good idea.
If Blackhawks were the be-all and end-all, wouldn’t the Australian Army be upgrading their 35 or so to the latest standard and buying a couple of replacements for losses over time?
Instead they are going for a marinised varient of the TTH version of the NH-90 (MRH-90).
Maybe it’s time for a commonwealth navy. Intergrate the navies of the old commonwealth countries to help protect sea lanes and do joint exercises together.
Of course if Britian is erroding it’s navy, will these countries step up to help. I know Canada is having a manpower shortage as is…
Wouldn’t work unless all the partner countries pulled their own weight. And if the cuts to the RN, RAF and British Army go through, in proportion to GDP and population, the Brits would not be pulling their own weight.
Of course Canada’s future plans arent exactly brilliant either.