Well, you lost me on the last part. A 25,000 ton Carrier with a smaller crew and one that using less fuel for example. Is more expensive than a much larger Carrier????????? Sorry, I don’t think you are going to sell that bridge.
Regardless, small Carriers can have advantages if equipped with the right aircraft.As its stands right now I believe the 30,000 ton Italian Carrier Cavour. Has a Airwing very similar in size to the much larger Russian Kuznetsov and the ex-Gorshkov. Personally, I would take the Cavour equipped with F-35B’s over any current or proposed Russian or Chinese Carrier equipped with Mig-29K’s or Su-33’s.
CVF requires less then a hundred more crew then an Invincible class to operate. With a much larger aircraft capacity and three times the displacement.
Really, Japan and/or South Korea could easily counter a large Chinese Carrier. With a Cavour Type STOVL Carrier equipped with F-35B’s……..Something China could hardly counter………:diablo:
They don’t have anything planned as of this time though. 😉
“pocket non-optimal carrier” – a good phrase. Both Dokdo & Hyuuga are too small for efficient operation of the F-35B, & would need some modification to permit any F-35B operations.
BTW, despite what the E. Asian carrier enthusiasts say, I’m not aware of any country following the route of building a through-deck helicopter carrier or amphibious ship as a lead-in to a fixed-wing carrier. Every country which currently operates or is acquiring both carriers & such ships (USA UK, France, Italy, Spain) started with fixed-wing carriers (though in one case a ship built as such was restricted to helicopter operations initially, but for legal not technical reasons), & then went on to build the through-deck helicopter-carrying ships.
The only possible exception to this might be the RAN with its Canberra Class LHD’s. I have to admit it is unlikely, but there is always the possibility that the politicians might decide to buy some F-35B’s so that the Canberra class can be used as Sea Control Carriers if needed, as well as to supply air cover to amphibious forces.
Lets face it, an LHD, even though not optimized for Air-ops, would easily be more powerful then HMAS Melbourne ever was, especially with AMRAAM or Meteor equipped F35’s.
India rejects Russian aircraft carrier price demand
India’s finance ministry has for the second time rejected a proposal from the nation’s defence ministry to approve an additional $1.2 billion in funds to complete a retrofit project to the decommissioned Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov.
Moscow had originally agreed to deliver the modernised vessel for $1.5 billion, but demanded the additional payment after citing factors including an underestimation of the level of work required at its Sevmash shipbuilding yard.
India, which has already paid Russia two-thirds of the original programme cost, has made no further payments since January 2007, and the 44,500t carrier’s expected delivery date has slipped from 2009 until at least 2012. The finance ministry’s latest decision also stemmed from a request to allocate $60 million to perform sea trials of the refurbished vessel during 2011.
The Indian navy has ordered 12 RSK MiG-29K fighters and four MiG-29KUB trainers to operate from the ex-Russian navy ship.
Does this mean the Russian Navy finish the Refit and recommission her? does she get scrapped? or do the Russians fold and the Indians get her for the original quoted price?
“No catapults.”
“and no ski-jump.”
If catapults or a ski jump was added to the USS America (LHA-6) for a foreign nation what type of aircraft and how many aircraft could she carry?? Thanks for any help?
For Ski-Jump, JSF plus helicopters, same mix as the CVF. For Catapults, same aircraft as the CVN’s.
Ouch!
Well you have to admit that if the news reports are anything to go by, they arent exactly trouble free. 😉
Last i heard it was something about being overweight and it halving their service lives.:confused:
There was a plan at one stage to do just this- the RAN were looking at a joint project with Malaysia to produce the OPC. Sadly the Malaysians opted out and went for the MEKO A-100’s. What we should do is as you say hand over the the Armidales to the ACS and produce the same number of Tenix designed OPC’s like what we built for the Kiwi navy.
Preferably without whatever the hell is wrong with them this week? :diablo:
Mate you know how much the population hated Howard for crawling up Bush’s back door! Had we have started an Australian Coast Guard, we would have been America in all but name, politically it would have been like taking a gun and putting it to your head then pulling the trigger and praying that the gun misfires. The only thing with the ACS’s vessels is that like the RAN’s Patrol boats, they are not really equipped to take on the Pirates who have far superior weapons on their vessels- I mean how can 2 50’s take on a 5 inch gun? If any of the Bay class come across a pirate boat armed with RPG-7’s then I am sorry to say that the Bay class will loose the fight as they (again like the Armidale’s) are made of aluminium alloy and this burns very hot and very fast just like magnesium!
Of the entire surface fleet, the latest vessel “Ashmore Guardian” is the one I think is great, I am looking forward to hearing more of this vessel in the future. She is a purpose built vessel as you can see, but the only down side it weapons- the only ones she has are the personal weapons of the crew, she doesn’t even have the 50’s 🙁 Oh and did anyone notice the Anzac in the back ground of this pic? 😉
With Regards to the Ashmore Guardian, she looks like a converted tuna boat.
In regards to pirates, please list the pirates that have 5″ guns? the Armidale class with their Stabilised 25mm Typhoon mounts could probably take on any conceivable law enforcement task, unless pirates can get their hands on retired FAC’s including SSM’s.
Wonder if it would be worth it for the RAN to pass the Armidales to Customs and replace them 1 for 1 with a class of 1,500-2,000t helicopter capable “sloops”.
found a small pic of Ukraina
Does anyone know what her material condition is?
Those Dash 8’s and Reim’s seem to have very big surface search radar’s, wonder if they’d work with the Orions in a war situation, while they wouldn’t be able to do anti-sub work, they could free up the orions from tracking enemy vessels.
I’d dearly love to know that as well. If something like Kiel is on that list I might be tempted – it’s a long drive just to see a ship, but definitely tempting….
As it has already gone past Germany once, it would have to be on the way back home.
In my opinion, C2 will pretty much be a direct T23 replacement with the 32 or so SAM’s, 8 Harpoons and either one merlin or two lynx. C1 will be about the same size as the T45 and will have everything the C2 will have, but will have extra VLS cells for land attack missiles in addition.
Nerpa or Chakra ? :confused:
It will be renamed if/when it enters service in india.
New minesweeper to join Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in November
MOSCOW, October 27 (RIA Novosti) – The new Vice Admiral Zakharin minesweeper will join Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in November, the Navy headquarters said on Monday. (Russia’s Black Sea Fleet – Image gallery)
“The minesweeper is currently in the final stages of official tests in Novorossiisk. The tests will be completed in November, and the warship will become part of the Black Sea Fleet,” a Navy official said.
He said that initially, the minesweeper was to be transferred to the Northern Fleet, but that a decision was then made to give it to the Black Sea Fleet.
The construction of the Vice Admiral Zakharin started in 1994 as a 266ME minesweeper for Vietnam, but in 2000 it was redesigned as ‘Project 02668’ and completed in 2006.
The ship has a displacement of 853 metric tons, a length of 61 meters, and a width of 10.2 meters. Its maximum speed is 16 knots and its effective range is almost 5,000 km (3,000 miles) at 12 knots per hour. The minesweeper has a crew of 60.
I hate to say this, but 14 years to build a minesweeper is just embarrassing, expecially considering that a minesweeper is basically a glorified fishing trawler with mine sweeps replacing the normal nets.
Well, if the Navy was not allowed to operate aircraft then I don’t think my point was very far off the mark…………As a matter of fact Italy did build a Carrier during WWII. Thought, it never entered service before the war ended and it was sunk incomplete………..
Italy was not allowed Carrier Borne fixed wing aircraft due to the peace treaty when it exited the second world war.