Was i in Bae, though, i’d spend something autonomously to complete the design without waiting for the government funding, because i believe a 155 mm naval gun capable to use standard NATO army-type ammo would have MASSIVE export potential. They could complete the work and then make an offer to fit the gun on Type 26 and refit the Type 45 with it as well during docking periods.
They probably are. I’m guessing they and the MoD would be each paying a portion of the costs.
More Artisan and CAMM systems will need to be ordered for the T26, only for a few ships. Assuming of course that a full 18 ship production run (possibly in a high spec and low spec version) is still planned.
I hope Syria gets some nice kit in return for this port. I am thinking S-400 SAMs, Su-35, Su-34, Amur Class Submarines, etc. etc.
Russia can’t afford enough of them to equip their own forces let along “gifting” them to other nations.
Osbornes comments today certainly suggest no ruse.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-07-29/osborne-rejects-nuclear-weapon-cut-exception-in-cabinet-split.htmlI think that’s a game changer, and some of the options put forward by RUSI are going to have to be looked at.
And here was me thinking that the most important job of any government is to ensure its defenses are up to scratch.
In fact, the last government of Australia Routinely said pretty much that exact sentence.
We’d have been flying AEW Gannets, not A-1s, if we’d still had Ark Royal or Eagle. It replaced A-1s about 1960.
And the radar’s were still in service into the late 1980’s aboard the Lancasters ugly grandchild.
I think LO might be an area which the UK might have to compromise – it looks like that Converteam have got EMCAT working and the MoD has to make 10 – 20% cuts against a background of procurement cost overruns, if say 70 F-35B’s cost £7.5 billion but say 70 F/A-18 E/F costs £5 billion then I can see that despite all of the logic that says that the MoD, RN and RAF have planned their strategy around the F-35B there they will go with the cheaper aircraft.
(I am of course in a pessimistic mode and I am hoping someone like pjhydro will pop up and let me know just how unfounded my pessimism is 🙂 )
Forget pessimism, The thing is, even if they are cheaper to procure, will they be cheaper to maintain and operate? Possibly not.
Remember that by going to the Super Hornet you are adding at least 50-100 more crew to each ship. The construction of the ships will take longer as they will need to be modified, or they will require very expensive refits just a couple of years into their lives.
So you are adding, crew costs, training costs, maintenance costs for the additional equipment, Modification costs for the carrier. Once all those add up, the super hornets are probably no cheaper.
(Shrugs) – if the stories are true that the RAF has both given up getting F-35’s and agreed to cut it total fast jet numbers (which makes the Tornado’s the most realistic target) then you would assume that the pressure would be on the RN and the FAA to drop the F-35 as well and buy a cheaper alternative otherwise it does not makes sense – as the main benefit of the F-35B is it’s ability to be jointly operated with the RAF and move seamlessly from sea to land and back again, which is perfect in a future when resources are constrained and you can only afford a limited number of squadrons. In fact the F-35B meets Liam Fox’s requirement of only buying multi-role equipment and moving away from specialist single purpose equipment.
Edit (I forgot to mention I thought intresting the story is being made public now and Jane’s inferred that the information that the contract had been placed had been kept secret up to now – suggesting that something new is going to be announced)
PS I know you are down on Liam Fox as you think he is bashing the Type 45 but I think he is hinting that they will need to use the Type 45 more flexibly and fit it with the things that it was designed to operate but is not got.
What cheaper alternative? If you take operational and training costs into account, F-35B is probably the cheapest option.
Russia to recall from reserve three nuclear-powered missile cruisers by 2020 – Navy
Russia will recall from reserve after an upgrade three nuclear-powered missile cruisers by 2020, a high-ranking Navy staff officer told RIA Novosti on Saturday.
“Cruisers Admiral Nakhimov, Admiral Lazarev and Admiral Ushakov will be modernized and returned to the Russian Navy’s combat force in 10 years,”
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Ouch, wont those things be 40 to 50 years old in 10 years time?
You can’t help a bunch of butthurt bigots, can you?
Taking a crap all over Severodvinsk’s appearance when both UK and US subs have had similar physical looks – and passing it off as “shoddy Russian engineering” is just sad. If they want to live in their own little fantasy, they are free to do so. That forum is garbage anyway, rather slow and no news that can’t be found elsewhere, earlier. If I get bored out of my mind maybe I’ll make another account just to have some fun there 😉
If you read my reply to your post on that, or had done a little digging, you would have realised that your photo of HMS Tireless wasnt exactly a good example. Then again, you may have been cherry picking images until you found one you likes.
Anyway, if you want to get banned again, that would be your choice. One of the Mods over there reads this forum though, so whatever.
The articles i’ve read said 32kw.
Article grabbed from another forum, originally posted by ‘buglerbilly.
By Colin Clark Sunday, July 18th, 2010 5:53 pm
For the first time, a solid-state laser has successfully destroyed a flying drone in a naval environment.
The tests, performed by Raytheon with the Navy, occurred off of San Nicholas Island, Calif. over several days in late May. Four UAVs were destroyed, according to Mike Booen, vice president of directed energy.
Booen spoke with DoD Buzz in an exclusive interview at the Farnborough Air Show. The company mounted six 5.5kw solid-state lasers with a Phalanx gun system. The radar used the Phalanx’s targeting system, Booen said. And the famous guns could be used to supplement the radar.
Aside from UAVs, the laser could be used against Katyushas and other smaller rockets, as well as against swarming small boats, a growing threat to large Navy ships. Of course, the means it could, in theory at least, be used against pirates.
The effort was funded by Raytheon internal research dollars until the May shootdown, Booen said, when the Navy paid. Booen would not disclose how much the company has spent and deferred all questions about Navy funding to the service. The laser effort is not yet a program of record, meaning there is no dedicated money for it in the Pentagon budget. After additional testing, Booen said the company thought it could become a regularly funded program by 2016.
Read more: http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/07/18/new-laser-is-bad-day-for-uavs/#ixzz0u7zQMWX0
Unless I’m mistaken the Searchwater has a conventional mechanically scanned antenna that rotates for a 360 deg scan. In comparison the LockMart AESA would give constant all-round coverage with no down time between ‘refreshing’ 360 deg scans. Aside from the inherent advantages of electronically steered radars it be better equipped to deal with, something like supersonic AshMs coming from multiple directions.
Possibly. But cost and the power requirements of an AESA radar will be key issues.
(very subtle :o)
But it does the job and has long endurance. 😀
Besides, I think it made my point about “best this” and “best that” threads.
To be honest the ramped ASaC kit might actually be a good value for money sytem. At anyone time we will need perhaps up to five-six airframes, based on 3-4 on the active QE and 2-3 for training. The other airframes can then be used in the utility role, switched over if we need more ASaC etc. The pallet based kit not fitted can still be used for ground instruction and training.
Also means you could send out ASaC capability in the back of a C17 (or Grizzly/Herc???) For instance we have HC3 already in Afghan, we judge we need ASaC so very quickly the pallet is wheeled into a C17. flown where it s needed and fitted to the back of a HC3. Think HMS Ocean on the otherside of the world, crisis arises, we can have improved survalliance kit flown out to it….actually this could be a genius piece of kit and great value.
If you need to have the ramp open to operate it, I would not want to be in that helicopter at altitude.
What about all of the U.S.M.C Av8s that will be retired soon?
Could a country buy 1 or 2 invinc and U.S. harriers?
They will be just as worn out as the GR.9/9A’s.
In case you missed it, Chile has in recent years acquired 1 Type 22, 3 Type 23, 2 L/Heemskerck and 2 M/Doorman frigates. That doesn’t create the impression of a shoestring operation.
Between 2004 and 2006, the navy of Peru has seen 4 ex-Italian Lupo frigates added to the 4 already in Peruvian service. An Invincible class ASW carrier could allow them to (finally) retire their even older steampowered ex-Dutch De Zeven Provinciën-class cruiser BAP Almirante Grau (CLM-81), which dates from 1973.
I’m sure useable SeaKings could be found (e.g. from US under FMS/FMA), in case EH-101s are too expensive.
Don’t know about the other countries, they were just examples of navies that could benefit from such a vessel.
Chilie
GDP: $161 Billion USD
Peru
GDP: $126 Billion USD
Pakistan
GDP: $166 Billion USD
Remembering what money they have goes mainly on their army and Airforce.
How are these nations, which are badly in need of upgrading their airforces, which are still operating Naval ships from the 1960’s and 1970’s going to be able to afford to Run an invincible class aircraft carrier and the aircraft (helicopters) they require?
I’m surprised no other navy would want them. This would depend predominantly on the usefull life left in any used SeaHarrier FA2 and Harrier GR9 that might become available. That is, unless you us them as helicopter carrier. I would think they’ld be usefull to minor navies as core of an ASW group, possibly with a mixed ASW/AEW helicopter complement? Countries e.g. Argentina, Chile, Peru, or Pakistan, Malaysia, South Africa, Taiwan.
There arent enough FA.2’s left, and the GR.9/9A’s will be completely worn out by the time they are retired.
As stated by kev as well, they require something like twice the manpower of HMS Ocean, and with their Gas Turbines, would be much less economical on fuel as well.
Most of those countries you list can barely afford to run their surface combatants let alone a helicopter carrier. Because the most expensive part to purchase and maintain, is the helicopters, not the ships. To the extent that I think we would all be surprised at what percent of our countries defense budgets are spent on helicopters.