we also want something more advanced than T-50, something that can sufficiently play with Su-30MKM and F-15SG…. 😉

FPDA means that playing with Singapore or Malaysia means playing with both those countries plus Australia.

Indonesia’s best choice, would be to focus on the Aircraft that would enable them to best police the skies above Indonesia Itself.

How are Indonesia gonig to pay their share of development for these aircrafts? Pay to purchase some of theses aircraft and pay to maintain some of these aircrafts?

They can’t even afford a full squadron of flankers, and even the ones they have are of varying models and standards of modernisation.

If anything, indonesia should be interested in the T-50 or F/A-50 from Korea (depending on what its called now).

AWACS days are numbered. Once the last of the ancient, non-networked airplanes are retired, the AWACS will be retired too. The brains of air operations resides in the Combined Air Operations Center (CAOC) who implements the strategy of the COCOM Commander. An AWACS is an extension of the CAOC’s C2 capability and constitutes a single point failure in the C2 structure (shoot down the AWACS and control of the non-networked airplanes is degraded). Networks are designed to be self-healing in the event a node is lost due to enemy action or accident. Radar, EO and ESM sensor data from all nodes are published on the net, allowing all other nodes to have a common integrated operational picture of the battlespace.

All hail the power of the network! :dev2:

Wait, so are you calling the RAAF with their brand new “Wedgetail” AEW aircraft stupid? :diablo:

Remembering that these are possibly the most advanced and networked AEW aircraft in the world right now.

To SteVO: that’s a flawed analogy. You can’t time-travel Typhoon’s from different time periods to keep an operational squadron. 3 Typhoons lost is 3 Typhoons lost.

No. A cut to the procurement budget of that magnitude, would result in 3 less typhoons purchased every year of the program. Assuming a program length of 10 years, that is a total of 30 aircraft.

T2 and T3 will be produced for quite a few years yet.

And 3 Typhoons per year over 10 years is 30 Typhoons, or roughly two badly needed fighter squadrons.

And probably this is the reason why Europeans aren’t buying any LO strike-bomber.

Not manned ones anyway. Quite a few unmanned ones underdevelopment.

And the Tornado’s are good for another 10-15 years.

Yes we gave India almost a Billion in aid last year. Ever been to India? We give them aid because it is poor, very poor. They have a huge army because they pay their soldiers peanuts and they need one otherwise their country would be defenceless and at the mercy of a dozen militant groups and the situation would be worse. To give you an idea of the reality GDP per capita in the UK is around 35,000 dollars India is about 1000. That isn’t just a huge disparity it is a monumental gulf and again partly due to two centuries of asset stripping by the UK.

– 130 Fighters to be ordered is not “peanuts”
– The dozens of quite advanced frigates and destroyers they are building are not “peanuts”
– The SSBN’s they are constructing are not “peanuts”
– The Aircraft carriers they are constructing are not “peanuts”

Enough said.

No.

Both the deployments you listed as examples include the use of a base within the Actual area of operations.

The collins deployment is a transit from Garden Island in Western Australia to the North Pacific, followed by several weeks operations in the North Pacific AoR before a return transit back to Western Australia.

Tell me a single Conventional submarine apart from the Japanese boats that can do that.