Two words…Yeah Right!!
An Su-27/30 is an offensive weapon. It’s big and can carry the gas an payload to reach distant targets within your perimeter. If Indonesia wanted defensive airplanes, they would have bought shorter range MiGs. Australia has a right to be worried with sparse forces, a huge length of coastline to defend and relatively close proximity of it’s potential adversary. Its a type of threat we don’t face here in CONUS.
A striker’s primary consideration is hitting the target. If you can do that by outrunning and driving past DCA, then all the better. Use your AAMs to fight your way back out if necessary. The attacker always has the advantage because he sets the rules. He can marshall his forces to overwhelm meager defenses, even one with JORN or Wedgetails for eyes. And OZ’s small Navy is not CEC capable.
E/F with all its newfound, electron-filled bells & whistles requiring millions of lines of code is still a carrier-optimized light attack airplane designed to replace the A-7.
Fear not Oz,for if your attacked by Indonesian SU-27s the RNZAF will come to the rescure with our 40 year old Orions!! we might even be able to muster a Hawker hunter thats on the Warbirds circuit!
Not a great surprise.
Would be interesting to find out what financial aide the US threatened to pull if they went through with the purchase of non US material, but I doubt we will find out any time soon.
THey will probably get stuck with some old F-18s with half a billion miles on the clock, or just some old worn out F-16s with a full billion miles on the clock that has been wound back so many times it doesn’t go forward anymore.
Still better than what we have got!….oh damn! we havent even got any combat aircraft!!!
Hi guys,just a general question,where any Mirage F1s captured in flyable condition? if so where are they?
The future is with fifth generation types like the F-22 and F-35. Anything else is respectfully a waste of time. That said, as a stop gap until the latter types become available in quantity is another story. In the case of Australia why purchase the Super Hornets and not lease them for 10 years? This only makes me believe that the RAAF will end up with a mixed force of Super Hornets and Lightnings. With a smaller number of F-35’s to be acquired as a result! Which, means they will get a less efffective force in the long run……….:( WHATS NOT TO GET????
I competely understand what you are sayin but it seems that in every single Forum and Thread every one is bashing the SuperHornet,Im only an ex-gun slinging Grunt but I just cant see the USN and now the RAAF takin on board a fighter that just aint up to scratch,sure it has happened in the past( oz seasprite) Id love to know what combat seasoned ex Tomcat pilots think of the Superhornet,anyone read any articles?
F::KME, this thread is just a waste of time!
While I understand that the Flanker is a mighty War-plane, a SuperHornet flown by a world class Ozzie Pilot would take out a Flanker flown by a Malaysian or Indonesian pilot.
For years our (former) Skyhawk (RIP) pilots defeated mig 29s and F16s (excercises) time and time again in a plane that had on average 8000hrs on the airframe and that while upgraded still only had a early model F16 avonics kit.
I was talking to a well respected ex RNZAF servicemen who said that Indonesian and Malaysian pilots are just not up to scratch and that the only worth while skilled opponents were OZ Hornets!
My point is that while technology counts,the OZ pilot with his world class training will make up for any flaws the Superhornet has.
A Flanker flown by a Russian pilot might be a different story!
I cant understand why people have such a beef with the Superhornet? Hasnt the Hornet served OZ well? the infustructure is already in place to maintain the basic airframe,pilots and ground crew will be familiar and I would thought transistion tothe SuperHornet with reletive ease?
I have to admit that I do not know in detail the specs of the SuperHornet but a well trained, highly respected force like the RAAF will make up for any flaws that the SuperHornet might have,OZ SuperHornet vs Indonesion Flanker? my money is on the SuperHornet cleaning up big time! Oz pilot + SuperHornet=Dominance of the skys!!!
Ja woosley, We have ordered too few,but with the price approching 1billion we couldnt afford any more,I personally think that we should have brought the Marine Corp Version of the upgraded Huey,our airforce and aviation company Safe-Air have years of know how with the basic Huey air-frame,the infastruture is there to maintain a newer version of the Huey,the last thing we need is a high tech chopper that we will stuggle to maintain heck the army is struggling to maintain the systems on the LAV Armoured Carrier!! Besides you just cant beat the sound that the Huey makes!!!
I hope that if Labour is voted out (please please) that National will look at the idea of a joint ANZAC force,it has been suggested within National party ranks
Yes the slats on the wings and the front of the intakes on both sides sport long blisters for electronics and that is about all.
It was essentially a way to get more bang for your buck from an already ageing airframe, stupid really as the F/A 18 was about to come on stream and would replace the phantoms & corsairs etc anyway.
curlyboy
Bit hard to call the Phantom upgrade “stupid” isnt it? Need I say more?
While I can see the logic in buying what OZ is buying I dont agree with buying the NH90,im not Euro bashing but the UH-1H has 40 years hard service under its belt and has more life in her yet,I just dont see the NH90 lasting that long,Americain hardware is tried and tested and priced at a good price,European while fancy and specd up is very much on the pricey side.
I dare say that if our Goverment was on the right leaning side of politics the Blackhawk would have been in the running,but the same goverment that destroyed our combat wing has elected to buy European,time will tell how the NH90 will go
[When analyzing today’s conflicts an aircraft with F-84 specs would suffice for most missions. Actually some aircraft (like A-4 and A-7) continueed partly on this path and can be called quite succesful.
Actually: The A-4 must be included in this list. It was anything but a fighter, but first flew in 1954. It is widely accepted as manouverable aircraft and some nations used it as interim fighter (and most famous the use as aggressor aircraft in Top Gun).[/QUOTE]
For me the list starts and finishes with the Skyhawk,I adore this plane and even now it can still teach a much more modern plane a thing or two and I reckon even today it still looks the part,Id happily sell my missus and my soul for a ride in a Skyhawk!
Don’t worry Jase… that didn’t come over as racist one little bit..:eek:
Is the NZ airforce (does it even exist?) 1st World? They still have never operated a true supersonic jet..:D :diablo:On a more serious note, this conflict has been brewing for some time, and nobody coud honestely think Ethiopia was going to just sit back…
Does anyone know the types of Air to Ground ordinance used by the Ethiopians? Do they only operate with ‘dumb’ munitions?
What NZ Airforce? Theres a NZ Taxi Force…maybe thats what your talking about?:D
Id love to know how these 3rd world countries can afford to operate such hardware as the Fulcrum and the Flanker?
Are these 3rd world airforces a professional and well trained lot? My impression is that they would be bit of a joke,not being racist but if I was a fighter pilot I wouldnt fly in a plane mantained by some some african bushman!
Fact is that the Islands belongs to Argentina…… it’s unbelievable that there are still imperial powers in the year 2006! Don’t forget that Latin American polotical situation is making a turn to the left……. and Argentina is this time NOT alone in the idea’s to have the islands back:dev2:
Exocet II
There is always one that has to bring the political crap into such threads