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  • in reply to: The myth of missile boat threat? #2033784
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    I’m interested in the BVR kills thread in the main forum. Clearly similar matters are of interest to this discussion..

    How many BVR ship kills / mission kills have resulted from ASMs?

    From memory the Sheffield and Stark were both WVR, though I’m pretty sure the Atlantic Conveyor was not. Has a FAC ever fired and hit from over the horizon?

    in reply to: BVR vs WVR kills #2484927
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    Well the article above covers the history of AAMs up to 1989 / 1990 so I’m looking for more recent data really.

    In short how many truly BVR kills have there been in the history of air combat?

    in reply to: BVR vs WVR kills #2485080
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    24 x AIM-7 Kills (33 launches for 73%)
    02 x AIM-120 AMRAAM Kills (50%)

    I doubt all of these will be BVR kills, does anyone have the actual percentages rather than merely kills which use a BVR capable missile?

    What about more recent conflicts? I think there were 7 kills on Allied Force, some of which are listed as BVR (or AMRAAM kills at any rate). Several certainly sound like they were BVR (I seem to recall the F16AM which bagged a Mig29 mentioned seeing the contact on the edge of his radar scope).

    The No fly zone over Iraq accounted for a handful of Migs, how many were BVR?

    Iranian F14s claimed several (was it 11) Mig25 kills with AIM-54, anyone have hard stats?

    I’d be very interested to get an actual figure for how many BVR kills there have been in the history of aviation…

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2491905
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    so you would expect a 15% increase in range if you increase the the fuel by 30%. Here it seems we are doing significantly worse.

    Not quite… An 8% increase on range is a 16% increase on distance travelled. Hence the maxim that external fuel uses half to use half appears to remain true. This might not appear to make sense but think of it in this way…

    Internal fuel has no drag penalties, and gives a range of say 500nm. Add empty EFTs and your range will drop due to the extra drag. Add fuel to the EFTs and range to the same fuel state (on internal) will drop again due to extra weight / fuel burn. So you’ve use half your extra fuel to get to the 500nm point which means you have 15% ‘extra’. This is roughly 8% out and 8% back.

    in reply to: Navalized Typhoon no longer a 'mere project' #2492026
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    According to the defence select committee the MoD havn’t talked to Dassault at all about the Rafale M and are not considering the Seaphoon.

    This has to be taken in context however as the minutes…

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmdfence/107/10706.htm

    ..make interesting reading. They don’t know how much the F35 is going to cost (but they think the price is stable?) and havn’t considered the F35C. Frankly it wouldn’t amaze me if they didn’t know about the C model.

    It appears they are thinking about asking how much the B costs in 2014…

    Frankly if the Tiffy had been designed from the ground up for carrier use then it would probably be a Rafale with better engines.

    I suspect someone at the ministry is going to have quite a rude shock when they ask for a price on 150 F35s.

    For anyone who was a fan of Fawlty Towers, especially if you live outside of our blessed isle, I can highly recommend the defence select committee’s minutes as a source of pure entertainment.

    in reply to: Good News for the F-35 Program #2493276
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    I thought the hover tests had yet to be carried out.

    in reply to: Navalized Typhoon no longer a 'mere project' #2493411
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    That the F35 is a very expensive airframe.

    I’m not here to upset any kids who worship the F35 dude, not interested.

    in reply to: Navalized Typhoon no longer a 'mere project' #2493431
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    Well we just bought 3 evaluation copies for £500 million, which is about $750 million.

    Yes they are early batches, though considering the controversy over Tranche 3 of the Typhoons (at about $60 million dollars each) and the state of the defence budget (Afghanistan doesn’t help) I think you can see the problem.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force to Select A330 Tanker? #2493475
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    Not happening! The MRCA is a U.S. bird, period.

    It’ll come with a ‘cannot be used in combat’ clause then. 🙂

    in reply to: Navalized Typhoon no longer a 'mere project' #2493560
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    I wouldn’t be so sure that the UK has committed to the F35. We’ve certainly invested heavily in it, and gained a 20% workshare (unbelievable value for money so long as lots are produced), however the unit cost of $215 million is simply staggering considering our requirement and finances. The workshare is not dependant upon UK orders, we’ve already invested the money.

    The RAF want amore than 100 aircraft, to be jointly shared with the carriers. This simply won’t happen, even if the unit cost was to halve and they wanted it as the FOAS. Simply too expensive.

    Still can’t see Tiffies flying from the PoW, STOBAR wouldn’t provide much in terms of payload and CATOBAR is unlikely for numerous reasons, even if the Typhoon was suitable for deck ops.

    Just a journalist being crap, which is what they’re there for generally. 🙂

    in reply to: The myth of missile boat threat? #2034583
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    If you happen to reside near a shipping choke point (or your evil den / monorail / big wall map complex does) or strategic area and start buying small missile boats then you can expect an awful lot of unwelcome attention from the big boys.

    If the Iraqis were using theirs as minelayers then good drills. Thats pretty much their most useful role.

    in reply to: The myth of missile boat threat? #2034654
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    Unfortunately missile boats make rather naff naval vessels. Great for looking warry and posing with lots of missiles but difficult to use effectively.

    They were seen as a cheap way of defeating large vessels but they arn’t all that cheap, have limited sensor fits which often don’t work particularly well due to poor seakeeping and have great difficulty in protecting themselves.

    The trend recently has been more towards corvettes and vessels which offer a bit more than just a bean count of missiles. The missiles themselves are almost irrelevant as you need proper targetting to use them effectively.

    The Lynx / Sea Skua combination made mincemeat of the Iraqi attack boats in the Gulf, though as you point out not every Navy has a similar capability.

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