It’s a long discussion because people are interested in it, and to my mind there is some cause for debate. But apparently it is clearly port wing so heaven forbid we actually try to challenge this with alternate opinions eh, chaps?
But I’m going to again anyway, just like Tim. So here goes.
If the darker camo wraps around to the bottom as you say XF, and we’re all in agreement that the rounded edge of the light is the outside, and finally, we agree that we are looking at the underside, then surely, this can’t be the port side light? I’m going to sketch this out and scan it tonight!! :diablo: Try to picture yourself standing under the wings of a Canberra. If the rounded outer edge of the light was facing to the left, what wing would it be?
pagen01, yes, there is the chance that it’s fake, but then again, why would you fake a mangled wingtip light from a Canberra? To confirm the fact that you had been damaged in action?
Good point there, Spitfireman about the grey camo on the port wing. If it was a darker shade, i.e. Dark Grey, I would definitely this to be the port upper, but it appears to be Light Aircraft Grey which makes me stick to my starboard story. What is puzzling though is two things:
1) that there seems to be some Dark Grey on the outer edge,
2) if you look carefully at some of the twisted metal strips on the right, you can see what appears to be another shade of green.
Cheers for that TJ, interesting the Clyde Preservation site does not state that WH914 was scrapped, although I’m sure it has been by now. Too bad really, especially as they had paid for them, but then again there was that matter of the invasion…:(
That gets my vote, but then I am biased 🙂
Here’s one: the MoD gets back in touch with whatever’s left of Shorts, sees if they can dust off the old PR9 jigs, and asks them to knock up some brand new airframes! I wonder if this would be a cheaper solution with tried and tested history behind it? More lifespan than refurbished RB-57s too…
OK, fantasy over, but food for thought, eh chaps?
Ahh, Creaking Door has brought the damaged wingtip debate to this good forum! Excellent work sir. I was pleased to read that initial reactions leaned towards the starboard wingtip. The backstory is that we had a good old debate on this over at Zona Militar forum, with a majority leaning towards the port wingtip if I remember rightly.
I’ll reiterate my take on it again for what it’s worth. Given that Argentine Canberras were finished in the NATO colour scheme of our late-era Canberras, you can see here that the Light Aircraft Grey colour (underside and underwing colours) is shown face up. Therefore, if you flip this over, it would be underneath, with the rounded outside edge of the light perspex on the starboard side. This is essentially what Tim said earlier about flipping it.
Therefore I think this is the starboard light. This also matches reports I have read in the book by Jorge Nunez Padin stating that B-108 had its starboard wingtip repaired after missile damage on the 1st May mission. This is just my theory however, perhaps one day someone can get down to that museum and really check it out.
I don’t suppose anyone has recently ventured out to the crash site? Being stateside bound, I am sadly limited to looking for the site on Google Earth on lunchbreaks!!
Thinking about FMK.6JOHN’s comments about her being struck off charge – does anyone know anything more about the actual crash?
Steve
They are superb, especially the shot of the chap reclining in his chair.
Beautiful shots, she looks superb, that logo is top class too. Well done to all those involved.
I’m itching for this event!! Driving me nuts that I’m going to miss it. I’ll have to content myself with taking VN799 for a virtual spin around Warton in FS2004:p
Muuuuch more settling, Kieth! She doesn’t look in too bad a nick despite a few changes of ownership, although it looks like the engines went walkabout. I’ve always had a soft spot for the T.4, and I’m glad this one got away at least!
Aha, a simple answer to a simple question – cheers for that chaps! Curiously though, does that seem to be a DV window on the port side as well, now that it is flipped? Perhaps a T.4 or was that T.13, canopy fitted (or maybe it’s my imagination after a few glasses of wine, lol)
And yes, Tim, it breaks my heart to see any old Cans end up this way. I recall being in the Air Scouts at Wyton and begging our troop leader to ‘save’ a cockpit section when the poor old Wyton Cans were being butchered at the end, but alas, no luck.
There’s something highly disturbing to the Canberra nut about that sequence of shots, Keith, although they are pretty unique, so thanks for sharing. What is equally interesting is the second shot, where the Karinga damage is shown – the entrance hatch appears to be on the port, not starboard side, something I have never seen before. Was this a local mod to the B.20?
Steve
Just wondering if anyone can add pics of GATZW which was an all black Canberra chase plane operated from Warton. ?
You know, there was a good colour shot of it on Air Britain I think a while ago, which I used for reference for an FS2004 repaint of G-ATZW:
http://www.cbfsim.org/cbfsim/cbfsBB/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=14606
But annoyingly enough, I can’t find it now. There is a b/w shot of it in the Roland Beaumont Canberra book though.
Steve
Arrgh! I dearly wish I could make it chaps, super that this is being done though. Keep up the splendid work and take LOTS of photos for us stateside-bound Cranberry nuts!
Steve