From Dassault latest video at Le Bourget , the RBE2 AESA has a 200+km detection range . It ‘s now official .
At 2.20 .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZtzuoecxoQ&feature=player_embedded

David , no system can cover all the known bands to start with . B. Sweetman is wrong . He ‘s most surely talking about the various bands the most used by the military/civilian systems .
Then , I might be a wee bit “nationalistic” but I ‘m not blowing hot air (I am not saying that you do) .

You ‘re pretty much a newbie here and I can assure you that most posters here know that one can have a sensible discussion with me . Why don ‘t you try 😎

Cheers .

it (the AN/ALR-94) is generally regarded as the worlds best fighter EW/ELINT system

Say the USA , others say otherwise .

Spectra doesn’t cover as many bands

Says who ?? Tell us what bands the ALR-94 covers to start with David , then we ‘ll see .

Basically Spectra is a self protection suite and not an EW/ELINT system.

False .You talk without knowing , SPECTRA does EW/ELINT/SIGINT and its reputation amongst NATO members is well established .

It’s very nice and what you quote is impressive but the tricks it pulls are nothing new. perhaps they are to the French but not to the US.

1) You do NOT know what tricks SPECTRA can pull .
2) In EW , the US are not more advanced than France . I would say that it ‘s the opposite .

Cheers .

This X 1000.

Assad may not be the nicest guy around, but in 2010 he actually passed funding for the refurbishment of synagogues in Syria.

Under him, there was freedom of worship, whether you were Christian, Jewish, or Muslim.

There are 2,5 million christians in Syria.

Anybody under any illusions should watch a wide sample of videos coming out of Syria from both sides.
One side has no religious chanting in their videos, the other has multiple shrieking to a particular deity in almost every single one.

No prizes for which one is which.

If the opposition win, millions of Syrians will feel the first chill of cold fear for the future…

You sometimes wonder what goes through the heads of politicians…..and then you realise that collectively, they simply cannot all be this stupid.
That leaves an agenda of some description….

Stay the hell out of it, and under no circumstances arm the opposition.
It will be paid for in blood later.

Same as Nic , I agree on everything .

That leaves an agenda of some description

The best way to prepare the 3rd World War (Islam vs everybody else) is to let the Islamists ruin a maximum of Countries and show their natural tendencies to oppression . Then , the West will hit hard on them once for all .

Cheers .

These measures mean a RCS between 0.7 and 1 m2

Niet . I raise the BS flag .

Cheers .

JSR , you said to Loke :

I am not sure you even understand sensor fusion.

Why that ? Looking down on people doesn ‘t make your agument stronger , far from it in fact . Then , the rest of your post is full of nonsense … I quote :

where are the gaint electronic pods on Rafale like Su-35?

??:confused: … Errr , they are inside the airframe , if you don ‘t mind .
While we are on ECM , do you think that the Su-35 EW suite is up to Spectra ?
I don ‘t think so .

You also said :

Export price of EA-18G is closer to $300m. and that after very large and efficient production run of base aircraft. some thing similar in EU will cost closer to $1b per aircraft.

“ $1b per aircraf” ?? Are you off your mind ?
In France , Thalès has the Carbone pod (which is part of Rafale ‘s roadmap) which has better capabilities than the EA-18G and it doesn ‘t cost $1b , far from it .

Then , you post rubbish like , I quote :

Rafale/Gripen type aircraft are for airforces which are short of money.

Rafale is a lot more expensive than the Gripen and more expensive than all the US F-Teens ! Have you been writing that while you were drunk ?

You carry on posting BS with :

These Su-30 are atleast 2 generation behind Su-35.

lol ! You don ‘t know what you ‘re talking about …

Cheers .

I ‘ve done a bit of homework .

It seems that the RCS of Su-27/30 is around 15m2 , which is similar than the posted scheme .
I found a link who says that the RCS of the Su-35 is 3+m2 (?) , when the scheme shows an average 8m2 .
Personaly , I cut the pear in two and I go with 5m2 , until we find a more accurate number .
This is 25 to 50 times the RCS of the Rafale (0.1-0.2m2) .

Then we add 6 missiles for both fighters (+ a central supersonic fueltank for the Rafale) and we end with a 1.2m2 for the Rafale and 6m2 for the Su-35 .
That would mean that the Su-35 would detect the Rafale at 300km and track it at 200km . The Rafale would detect the Su-35 at the max range of RBE2-AA : 200km+ and the tracking would begins at 180km .
Slight advantage to the Su-35 .

But something else must be taken into account : the total output power and the power generally used . For the Irbis , I found this :

The transmitter, made on the base of the solid-state master oscillator “Oliva” and chains from two traveling-wave power amplifiers of the type “Chelnok”, ensures the maximum peak power at the survey frequencies not less than 20 kW with the average power 5 kW, or the average discrete continuous power of the transfer at frequencies of illumination not less than 2 kW.

When using 5kW (4 times less than the max output) , the Irbis range is at least divided by 2 . The Rafale will detect and track first , easily and without using RBE2-AA max output power wich is actually 9.6 kW .

In order to meet the UAE requirement, the power output will be increased from 9.6 kW to 14 kW by changing the cooling pomp.

This quote from Dassault via Air & Cosmos is very interesting wrt the RBE2-AA . It seems that the radar has 838 T/R modules (Dassault/Thalès said they were going to increase it to a maximum 1001 T/R modules but …)
. 9.6 kW divided by 838 gives us T/R module capable of 11.45 Watt . Apparently , the T/R modules can be pushed to 16.70 Watt (14 kW divided by 838) . The original APG-77 (F-22) had T/R modules rated at 8 Watt each , since they upgraded the T/R modules and they use F-35 radar technology .

AESA components and technology is getting very mature in Europe .

Also , the Irbis is a PESA radar , the RBE2-AA is AESA . The Rafale drivers are seeing the difference between the original RBE2 and the one used today . More powerful , more versatile , more discret , better features , etc …

From where I stand , I can ‘t REALLY see a clear advantage to the Su-35 with regard to radar .

Cheers .