Spudman :
It would likely get a similar A2A tracking ability like that of the EODAS, but will still lack in range & resolution.
Wrightwing :
The system already provides this capability against missiles. The upgrade was to provide the capability against other fighters, etc… so that once the -9X was integrated, the F-22 would be able to take advantage of the HOBS/LOAL features.
-1) F-35 ‘s EODAS and F-22 ‘s MLD are two very different systems in term of resolution and capabilities .
EODAS beats the crap out of AN/AAR-56 . Sure , F-22 ‘s MLD could be upgraded but so far nothing has been done .
EODAS can even track ballistic missiles at up to 800 miles (!) with a 10x magnification but it can ‘t be displayed on the current F-35 tactical display . Video :
http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/solutions/f35targeting/assets/missilevideo.html
Quote :
“DAS is an omni-directional infrared system that can simultaneously detect and track aircraft and missiles in every direction, with no practical limit on the number of targets it can track. DAS truly revolutionizes the way we think about situational awareness,” said Dave Bouchard, program director for F-35 sensors at Northrop Grumman’s Electronic Systems sector.
-2) Such systems are not capable to provide any range , so using the systems to direct a AIM-9X in LOAL mode is only possible in WVR .
Russians and French tried it with our respective IRSTs and it only works in WVR , as expected .
When used for a BVR shot , even the IR Mica needs in-flight updates or the help of the LRF , which only works at up to 30km .
Believe me , we all wish to fire passively an IR missile at over 50km but it is so far impossible unless to use data from an excellent RWR , or from an external source like AWAC or ground radar or another fighter illuminating the target .
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Wrightwing :
I think that article you posted answered your question on the challenges an ECM system has vs an agile radar, and missile.
Not really .
Mr. Gambit was probably not aware of the progress made these recent years wrt ECMs . I admit that it is more difficult to jam an Aesa radar than a mono-static multipulse missile radar , the later not even being LPI .
I found it ironic that you simulataneously praised it, and dismissed the issues it addressed.
I praised Mr. Gambit ‘s ability to describe the system in lenght but I indeed dismissed the fact that it is impossible to jam late missiles . Mr. Gambit even finished his post with , I quote :
So is it possible to deceive a threat radar via DRFM? Absolutely. Is it possible for a threat radar to successfully counter the DRFM method? Absolutely. The issue for both sides is always — money.
Wrightwing :
As for the missile’s ECCM techniques, you can be assured that the types of filtering methodologies discussed, are part of their bag of tricks.
It is not a part of their bag of tricks , it is their only trick .
You give missiles more credit than they deserve , Wrightwing 😎
Btw , I am the only one here to back up what I say with good links when you and Spudman are only exposing your opinions :rolleyes:
Sorry to say …
Cheers .
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