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F-16s RCS is 1,2 m2, so loaded would have RCS closer to 2m2. Difference between detection ranges will be like 25%. F-15s RCS is ~15 m2 (clean) and Su-27 has a RCS of ~18-20 m2 (clean)
We have different sources but I was wrong on the F-16 , it ‘s indeed around 1.2m2 . For the rest and for the sake of keeping the thread clean , I accept your numbers .
That’s not true. The SH has gone through extensive RCS reduction process and it’s RCS is in ‘0.1 m2 class’ and it’s claimed that the SH has the best RCS in all 4-4.5th gen fighter family.
That I don ‘t believe 😡 .
I know that Boeing did a lot of work on it but I can ‘t believe that they went from 5-6m2 (basic Hornet) down to 0.1m2 .
The French pilot never reported to have any trouble locking a SH at long range while they say that the M2000 and Mig-21 are harder to detect .
Do you really believe, that a self-defense jammer will be equivalent of being VLO?
No . (keep it in mind and don ‘t ask again in 15 days ;))
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Again and for the Nth time , the Rafale is not a stealth fighter . It has a discrete airframe , some call it LO .
As an example , a Rafale loaded for a deep strike mission like this one will have a RCS of around 2m2 :
or :
A similar loaded F-16 will have a RCS 3 times bigger , a F-15/Flanker will have a RCS 10 times bigger .
Cheers .
mrmalaya :
sorry i’m confused. are you saying that rafale is special because it has some sawteeth on it?
I just think the whole saw tooth thing isn’t relevant to a eurocanard (unless or untill it undergoes an LO update).
We are talking about saw tooth and RAM ~so my response ~ but we can also talk about the airframe shaping and golden canopy if you want to .
But i think you need a bit more than that to suggest that Rafale is superior in LO terms to Typhoon (for example).
Look at both aircraft ‘s front sectors and you ‘ll see the obvious differences . Rafale ‘s nose is deflecting EM waves over and under the aircraft . The air intakes are hidden from most angles , they blend into the airframe and don ‘t show any square angles or any moving parts :
Typhoon :
Both aircraft from the side :
The differences are obvious .
Cheers .
em745 , the Dassault Rafale is not a stealth aircraft and was never intended to be .
Its RCS from up front and clean is 0.1m2 ( 10 times less than a clean M2000 , data from Dassault) .
A Rafale with 6 Micas and a supersonic central fuel tank has a RCS of less than 1m2 . A F-16 with a similar load is having a RCS of 6m2 , a F-15 18m2 , a SU-27 16m2 .
In between the old 4th generation fighters and the F-22 , there is a big gap filled by “discrete” fighters like the Rafale , Typhoon and Gripen . The SH ~whatever some say~ has a bigger RCS , around 2m2 clean .
em745 , mrmalaya , nobody in its right mind will put money on stealth technology , anechoic chambers , advanced materials and expensive RAM for nothing . What would be the point ? :confused:
The Rafale C01 was used to validate the concept :
The reasons why Dassault did so much research and testing with the C01 was because of Spectra . They had to know exactly where and how Spectra could manage the EM “spikes” generated by the RCS (Dassault data) .
Not being cocky , but in matter of discretion the combo Rafale/Spectra is second best behind the F-22 and the best in Europe . The F-35 and the T-50 also look very promising .
Cheers .
jackjack :
there is saw on the trailing edges of canard and wing
Not only there , every underbelly panel shows the same design :
landing gear panels too :
Cheers .
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