Kiwinopal , I don ‘t want to start a “pi**ing contest .
First , because I am a huge fan of the F-22 🙂 , then because I am also a huge fan of the Rafale 😉
You read me posting rather strong disagreements on the F-35s , but you will hardly find me writing something bad about the F-22 and since you want to hear it , there are only 2 things which I don ‘t like on the F-22 :
– no IRST or any long range passive device to scan , acquire , target and identify targets . A Rafale will recognize a F-22 at 50km with the TV . A F-22 can ‘t recognize a Rafale unless its pilot use his Mark-I eyeballs . You also must agree that within tight RoE , the Rafale has the advantage . A Russian or Chinese Flanker also share the same advantage , which is dangerous . Don ‘t you agree Kiwi ? 😎
– no active ECM suite . It only has the ALR-94 which is a passive (listening) suite .
The F-22 deserves both , I tell you . Why is it not fielded is beyond my comprehension … 😡
That being said , in real life Ops I wouldn ‘t like to be in either seats ! That ‘s for sure ! 😮
I say again , if both fighters are using dogfighting missiles , I couldn ‘t bet . The outcome is so uncertain that I stop right there .
Cheers .
the F-22 holds 28 deg/s STR it is a WVR killer, it will eat Rafale for breakfast
Not likely , I remind you that the F-22 only scored once out of 6 engagements against the Rafale in WVR and that was with canon only .
If both are using IR missiles , well … Who knows 😉
Cheers .
jackjack , I never had access to French OPSECs .
(edit) —> In fact , I did in few occasions but it was about land warfare against a “sand-box” country . Unfortunately , there is very little I can share about this time , sorry .
I was in the Air Force as a Commando for 7 years (2 years as a sniper in the GIA ~Special Forces)
1981-1988 .
I ‘ve said it on SP few times …
Cheers .
Kiwinopal :
Rafale without full aspect stealth still is not as good as the F-22
I agree . As it stands , the F-22 in BVR is a killer .
Active stealth might change that in a very near future , mind … :rolleyes:
jackjack :
no i’m calling BS on that, i’m going to need a creditable link to show the rafale can maneuver while going backwards in the brief lift to 100 aoa wiping off all speed
It is coming from Dassault . Gimme time and I ‘ll give you the link . Just be patient , thank you 🙂
got a link for that ?
No . I am using Maths (radar range vs RCS) . I rate the SH ‘s RCS at about 1 square meter since I can ‘t find any better number . Can you ?
Cheers .
jackjack :
the rafale has poor radar and a2a missiles in comparison
Here we go again ! 😡
Our actual Pesa RBE2 has enough qualities and range to lock on a SH at 100km and our Mica is an excellent missile , thank you very much 🙂
Cheers .
if ever the french do sell their plane to the likes of libia, the rafale has to be considered in potential threats
Yep , like the Saudi Typhoons …
Cheers .
jackjack :
classic BW LOL
would you like to tell me how this works, so it wasnt falling, it must be true, the french do have a reverse gear in their planes
I already explained it to you :
“”it only has an airframe and a FBW enabling it to point its nose even during negative speed (and without TVC) . “”
Cheers .
jessmo :
Wouldn’t any post here concenring U.S. ram procedures beak OPSEC rules?
Arnt you walking on thin ice by asking for this information?
Maybe , but I couldn ‘t care less as I am NOW a civilian . :D;)
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Erkokite , as far as I know , there is no “blocker” inside Rafale ‘s intakes .
But I could be wrong …
Cheers .
Our Rafale M F3s (today) would most probably get a huge kill ratio on the SHs in BVR .
In WVR , our old Raf F1s were already eating alive the SH :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6bnpq_rafale-vs-superhornet_sport
Check at 3:00 and after .
(Btw , the “green” bits (at night) show a Rafale trying to go after another Rafale , it doesn ‘t look easy :o)
Cheers .
jackjack :
the sh has better radar, better weapons and has better sa in the system battlespace
heck even our old 25 yr hornets will give the rafale a run for its money
??? 😮
Are you off your mind jackjack ? 😀
Cheers .
Erakis , don ‘t compare N. Sarkozy to Berlusconi the crook , thanks .
Cheers .
I bet my next paycheck on Norway .
Cheers .
djcross :
Who cares where he’s from!?! He is a smart, well-grounded guy and adept politician. I would trade him for Obama in an instant.
It was only for the sake of truth and for nothing else .
B. Obama is also a well-grounded guy . He ‘s making the USA a better country , I have no doubt .
And don ‘t even dare to call me a socialist :diablo:;)
Cheers .
Thanks Erkokite , from the link :
The wing leading edges, fin leading edges, rudder trailing edge and wingtip DASS/ECM pods are made from a Lithium-Aluminium alloy imparting superior strength to weight than standard aluminium alloys. Additionally these areas are also coated in Radar Absorbent Materials (RAM)
So , it does use the same approach than the Rafale . Good to know 🙂
But the air intakes don ‘t seem to be RAM coated . Are you sure about that because it doesn ‘t look like it on picture .
OTOH , it is obvious on the Rafale and it even shows sawtooth :

Cheers .
J-7 hotdog :
not going to happen because France’s head of state is ethnically an Israelite
Wrong . Why are you saying that anyway ?
N. Sarkozy ‘s father :
nagybócsai Sárközy Pál Istvan Ernő . He was a pure Hungarian .
His mother :
Andrée Mallah , was greek .
Cheers .