Here is ~in my opinion~ the best design for a F-16 :

Lovely isn ‘t it ๐
Unfortunately , the USA never really liked the Delta-canard configuration …
Notice the elevons on the canards , strange …
Cheers .
Wrightwing :
You may want to take note of that text in the bottom right of the image, before making claims in absolute terms
Reply With Quote
Ok , rgr that loud and clear . Do you have anything better ?
Because as far as I know , I am most probably right ๐
Cheers .
Jessmo24 :
The link you gave us (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/07/31/215810/flight-test-f-35-simulator-virtual-fighter.html) clearly shows the capabilities of the F-35 , good read ๐
The only thing the Rafale can ‘t do yet is the SAR because of the actual Pesa RBE2 . The AESA RBE2 will have the capability :

All the rest can be done with the Rafale .
Cheers .
jackjack :
your ability to show what you don’t know never ceases to amaze me
the f-35’s f136 is an evolution of the f-22’s f119 and yes it does have an air cooling system
if you read up you will find the f-35 has even better cooling tech than this though
No . The F119 ‘s cool air bypassing chamber surrounds the whole length of the engine , the F135 doesn ‘t exhibit the same design . Then , the F119 ‘s nozzle is made to mix the cool air with the hot gases from the exhaust .
Look carefully at the drawings :
F119 :
F135 :
Cheers .
Erkokite :
More of the text is available here:
Wonderful ๐
I am going to spend some time on it …
I wish that I could ask Matech and Thalรจs what progress they made since the technology is known :rolleyes:
Cheers .
Sens :
Just some cooperative targets
Exactly .
Just try to shoot a missile behind you at a Flanker and you ‘ll see the Flanker jamming and dodging the missile .
Of course , the little video doesn ‘t take into account that the Flanker already shoot a salvo at the F-35 …
Nevertheless , it is indeed a beautiful system but please … ๐
Cheers .
Thanks Scorpion , I already read this news yesterday:)
Lasting 1 hour and 30 minutes, the flight was a total success, and was used to expand the flight envelope
I really would like to know what the new flight envelope is . :rolleyes:
Maybe we should re-ask the USAF for a new dogfight with the F-22 ๐
Cheers .
lol Fedaykin ๐
Good sense of humour ๐
Cheers .
Kirtap , thank you very much . Where did you get that ?
Figure 4.5 :
Bragg Cell receivers provide instantaneous , full band frequency measurement and handle multiple , simultaneous signals
It is exactly what I said , add to that multichannel Bragg Cell and we get a clearer picture .
Cheers .
TMor :
– 10,000
Sorry.
Uh ? What do you mean ?
Cheers .
3 billions Euros !
Wow , ok . Thanks Nic , thanks TMor ๐
Cheers .
Jackjack , don ‘t start or go back to Strategypage where you ‘ll find the usual clowns …
TMor , could you tell me once for all if the probe is RAM coated ? (thank you)

Cheers .
Before to continue on French ECMs , I would like to have a quick word about the Typhoon EW suite if you don ‘t mind .
I am amazed to see that the DASS cost more than Spectra ๐ฎ .
It seems that the Typhoon users paid $1.18 billion for the development of the system while SPECTRA cost is evaluated at $875 million .
http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/3442641
I don ‘t understand … :confused:
So , while I have a lot of infos on DASS , I explored a bit more the system .
Here is my humble opinion : it is not worth the money and the entire system is lacking .
-1) The RWR .
Being able to know if you are “painted” by an adverse radar is the most important factor as it dictates what must be done to break the “painting” , in fact it is a matter of life and death .
When we look at the Typhoon RWR , we learn that it is using Super Heterodyne (SuperHet) based wide-band receivers and is located in the port side pod (both front and rear) and within the aircraft’s fuselage giving full 360ยฐ coverage in azimuth (elevation coverage is currently unknown) .

This is not good enough for many reasons .
First , super heterodyne is a cheap trick . I don ‘t want to go into details but the technology is rather a “shortcut” than a brand new mean based on today ‘s technologies .
Super heterodyne :
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/es310/superhet.htm
It is the reason why :
One of the weaknesses of current (and more so older) RWR systems is a difficulty in countering Low Probability of Intercept (LPI) enabled emissions. These use various techniques to try and hide the emitted signal. Although it is unclear whether the DASS RWRs possess a capability to detect and classify such emissions it is known the Marconi (now BAE Systems) have been working hard in this area for some time
(now , I understand why the Rafale scored 15-2 against the Typhoon in BVR . It couldn ‘t detect the Pesa RBE2 even if the Rafale had to keep a constant lock onto the Typhoon to direct “virtual” semi-active missiles )
At last , we have an answer ๐
The Typhoon RWR is simply not good enough and against most Russian fighter radars (them being Pesa or Aesa) , it is rather useless .:o
-2) Missile Approach Warner (MAW)
The units are derived from the Plessey PVS2000 MAW which utilises an active, pulse-doppler radar for detection. Since the units are active they are able to detect not only radar guided ordnance but also passive weapons such as infra red guided short range missiles.
That ‘s sounds good ๐ Using active radar is indeed a clever way BUT :
Since it is an active system , what is the range AND could it be detected by an adverse RWR ? Since I can ‘t find what wavelength the system is using (millimeter band ?) , I will stop right there …
Btw , is the PIMAWS (Passive Infra-red Missile Approach Warning System) operational and fielded ?
-3) Electronic Counter Measures (ECM)
There , we are in the “fog of War” because no data are in the public domain .
But there is one thing we do know : the system is not using AESA antennas so , no directional beaming , no stealth . I could also add that the output power management should be poor .
Furthermore , we don ‘t know if it is using the Cross Eye (X-Eye) system developed by Italy’s Elettronica …
Basically , only the Towed Radar Decoy (TRD) which seems to be present on RAF aircraft only is doing most of the work . Unfortunatly , the Typhoon carry only 2 of them (sometimes only one) and that means that if the TRD are destroyed by adverse missiles , the Typhoon will find itself rather … naked ๐ฎ
****************
Now , compare it with what SPECTRA can do and it is easy to see that the DASS isn ‘t cutting the mustard .
Some Flanker pilots might enjoy going after the Typhoon ๐
Cheers .
Fedaykin :
Woooohah! Naational bias kicks in.
No , facts kick in .
Cheers .
Grim901 :
we are yet to see what is being included in T3A let alone T3B which are the timescales we’ll be looking at.
I read somewhere that the Typhoon Tranche 3B is not even founded , am I correct ? From Reuters :
The member nations reached a compromise deal under which they agreed to split the third delivery into two parts, known as tranches 3A and 3B, but UK defence procurement minister Quentin Davies said Britain was under no commitment to buy further jets after he signed a deal for 40 planes as part of tranche 3A.
@StevoJH :
-1) The first Eurocanard to get the Meteor will probably be the Gripen , note that I said probably . Myself , I bet that the Dassault fighter will get it in 2014 .
-2) Regarding the AESA :
The Royal Air Force could be test flying an active electronically scanned array radar on a Typhoon fighter within three years following a deal between the British Ministry of Defence and Selex Galileo to develop and build the key new sensor as part of a technology demonstrator program.
Selex Galileo, an arm of Italian-based Finmeccanica, has signed a 19 million pound ($29.8 million) contract with the MoD to lead a demonstrator program likely to run for up to five years as the British look to de-risk the technology ahead of a likely fielding on Eurofighter-built Typhoons, said an MoD source.
If I understand well , the “demonstrator” will fly up to 2014-15 . We ‘ll see if it becomes operational …
-3) The Rafale is certainly not a “orphan airframe” (?) . Where did you get that silly idea ?
Cheers .