The decal in the picture looks like a (fairly modern) MT Propeller sticker to me; see http://www.mt-propeller.com/
These recurring threads on whether a Flugwerk FW190 may or may not fly in the UK are always pathetic, overly emotional, mostly based on assumptions and completely overlook the facts.
This aircraft is not a Focke-Wulf Fw 190’s.
It is a very a complex, homebuilt, experimental aircraft, which looks like one, and which happens to have a similar name (Flugwerk FW190).
As such, it is not covered by EASA (so it’s pointless to blame them) but is subject to national regulations, just as a homebuilt Jodel would be.
As far as I recall, Flugwerk worked very closely with the Luftfahrtbundesamt (German CAA) right from the beginning of the project and had each and every stage of the project approved before proceeding to the next.
This is why they can be registered in Germany, and probably also why Flugwerk was exceptionally given permission to build and fly several aircraft.
Restrictions on operating experimental aircraft – or other non-standard approval aircraft, such as microlights – in other countries than where it is registered generally apply to all aircraft of this type. Another country may or may not permit operations within its jurisdiction. Try taking your G-reg microlight to Denmark, for example.
France seems to accept the German experimental CoA without further ado, the UK doesn’t. Tough look, that’s just the way it is with national regulations. Happens to microlight owners all the time.
Personally, I can to some extent follow the CAA’s reluctance to automatically approve of a complex replica (not a reproduction!) of a high-performance aircraft which has no operations track record over the last sixty years, particularly when served to them as a fait accompli in completed form. You would have exactly the same problems if you would dash over to the US of A and bring back a turbine-powered Lancair IVP with a self-installed Garmin G1000 for IFR operations on the G-register.
Moreover, somewhere on the Internet there’s an interview with the head of the CAA who has stated that they have already explained what kind of process would be required to consider approval this aircraft, but that the application process was never initiated by the operators.
Among the CAA, EASA and EU slagging which always occurs in these threads, I find it stunning (to put it mildly) that it is always conveniently overlooked that while your CAA may not be too enthusiastic about the FW190, they actually allow private operation of an Avro Vulcan and (wealthy) PPL holders to buy and operate Hawker Hunters, just to mention two examples in their favour. You still consider them to be “anti-aviation”?
The Danish CAA, for example, has stated that they will not allow ex-military jets to be put on the Danish register anymore. As another example, a Piper J-3C-65 requires a silencer to operate without limitations in Germany. This is what might happen if you were to attempt to put all aircraft under the EASA umbrella for harmonization purposes!
Most of the posters in this thread seem to be absolutely spoiled when it comes to the range of aircraft displayed in public in the UK, and the amount of whining about this one particular aircraft is, by consequence, pathetic.
If it’s so important to you to see an FW190 in the air, why did none of you catch a cheap flight to Stuttgart in September last year and go and see one at nearby Hahnweide? Continental European enthusiasts do this all the time; in the other direction.
Or was that just too much of an effort – just as it was trying to understand the facts of this case?
Enter the circus ring.
He shouldn’t be allowed to until he specifies whether it’s a KZ-II Sport, Coupe or Trainer… 😀
My, was I itching to answer this one but I haven’t got the time to devise and follow up on a riddle of my own…
John, where did you get this photo from? Any captions as to the registration and the location? Two examples of this variant still fly in Denmark and a third one is in deep storage in Switzerland.
Are you able to tell me where and, approximately, when the photo was taken so that, finally, I might be able to apply a caption to it!
Could be Kastrup; one of the pics in the link also show that aircraft next to a signals square although from a different angle – have a look!
I don’t play this game – but since you’re talking about KZ-IIs, here’s one from my collection!
Neat, thanks! That’s the only surviving KZ-II Sport now; see http://www.oy-reg.dk/register/2169.html
Stating that
… the CAA simply wouldn’t allow it…
is different to stating that
…the CAA have made their usual noises about being “happy to co-operate” it actually means all the usual red tape…
Did they ban it or did they ask for a certain – albeit probably complicated – procedure to be followed? These are two different things!
It’s interesting to note that this Shackleton was operated by the same company which claimed that EASA stopped DC-3 joyrides. These nonetheless continue in Germany and Holland, amongst others.
You’d imagine that a four-engined piston wouldn’t be a particularly big deal though, especially when DC-6’s have been chugging in and out of Coventry for years
The DC-6 is a certified aircraft, the Shackleton isn’t. A paperwork difference, perhaps, but an important one.
I’ve seen the large version, thanks!
No need for me to go to Google Earth; I live there… 😀
Very, very interesting!
Regarding this picture:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24554019@N06/3101929168/sizes/l/in/set-72157609636214338/
This is indeed Allach, but not the BMW/MAN/MTU site. The plant in the approx. centre is Krauss-Maffei (locomotives), the adjacent railway line is the Munich-Ingolstadt railway, the wavy lines in the lower right-hand corner are Eversbuschstrasse, river Würm and Behringstrasse, and the narrow road from the bottom to the upper left-hand corner is Ludwigsfelderstrasse. The top of the photograph points approximately in the SE direction.
When exactly was this picture taken?
I know there was one..but the name escapes me. It was our official airport before Fornebu.
Gressholmen!
(Der findes ogsÃ¥ Wikipedia i Norge… :diablo:)
Hi Sven-Eric,
noting that your last activity in this forum took place after your question was answered and without any posts in this thread, allow me to post the first line of a well-known Danish song which – judging from your first name – I’m sure you’ll understand:
“Tak er kun et fattigt ord…”
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
I have my doubts about the correctness of the German registration. As far as I know, civilian flying wasn’t allowed in post-WW2 Germany until 1955 and even at that time the registration range “D-E…” was for single-engined aircraft with a MTOW < 2000 kg only, as it is today.
SOC Jun 1954 at Olmsted AFB. To civil registry as N9642B, to D-EGBE, to OO-SPO. On Aug 12, 1954
to Institut Geographique National of France as F-BGSO
So in a period of less than 2 1/2 months, this aircraft goes from being struck off charge, to the US civil register, then to Germany, then to Belgium and finally winds up in France?
Highly unlikely, I’d say, and another clue that not all is well here.
Thanks for posting that excerpt, Newforest, couldn’t be bothered to browse through the list myself 😉
Ex N9642B, D-EGBE, OO-SPO
http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1040532/
A Cessna 180 (fits D-E…) with the registration
F-BSGO
To civil registry as N9642B, to D-EGBE, to OO-SPO
http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/1944_1.html
F-BGSO
I’d wager that Mr Baugher made a typo in the registration when checking that B-17’s previous identity…
– Skandinavisk Aero Industri KZ-IIT (a lot of work over a 5-year period)
– Spitfire, SAAB 17, SAAB J-29, DC-7C (cockpit), DH Dove & KZ-VII (minor items and cleaning/polishing)
… someone from the Historic Aircraft Collection is quoted as saying that the aeroplane will most likely stay with them for this year (and they are taking airshow bookings for it) and that the sale is a “precursor to the arrival of our original Hawker Fury which is due to fly this summer”.
Says exactly so on the HAC website too.