Thanks for the comprehensive reply’s guys. So much for the adaptable design! Well it seems if we are to have fixed wing on the QE or POW then it’s F35B or nothing, lets hope it comes to fruition.
Having served on 809 squadron on Ark Royal I experienced first hand how we could cross deck with the Americans on exercises. I always hoped we would again at some stage go CATOBAR and return to having a Navy with the level of naval air integration we once had with our allies. 🙁
“a floating spares warehouse called Prince of Wales”.
With their extra Super Hornets + the addition of cats and traps, perhaps the Aussies could better employ Prince of Wales :diablo:
“Australian government to consider buying up to 24 new F/A-18 Super Hornet fighter-bombers in a decision that would sharply reduce reliance on the troubled Joint Strike Fighter”. Statement from Aussie press.
There are ongoing rumblings of cuts to the JSF programme with the possible cancellation of at least one, if not two variants?
The US is going to be taking a realistic look at what it actually needs, wants, and can actually afford. It has been suggested that the US Navy does not actually need the F35C and Lockheed have not yet confirmed that they have been able to Fully Resolve the tail hook problem. Instead it is being suggested that the Super Hornet and it’s replacement will suffice. Likewise it is also being muted that the US Marine Corps does not actually need a high tech fifth generation Stealth Warplane to support Amphibious landings. The fact that the F35B is also the most expensive of all the variants is not helping!
The F35A is seen as a necessary relacement for the F16 in the USAF, add to that the fact that it is the cheapest F35 with the majority of overseas orders being for this type. The only overseas orders for the F35B come from the UK and Italy in very small numbers so far, with the USN being the only proposed operator of the F35C.
In the absence of the F35B would the UK be forced back to Cats & Traps?
Took these of XT863 at Abingdon in 1991


Took these of XT863 at Abingdon in 1991


The photo is Eagle. Ark never operated in the straight deck configuration.
The number of arrester wires on the flight deck was reduced from the number in the photo when she adopted the angle deck later in her career.
Bournemouth air show this weekend. The Sea Vixen will be missed. Any new info on her return to flight?
DGH, How tragic that last photo looks! Thanks for taking the time to answer my question.
At least XM967 got to fly out of Honington which was at least one more flight than intended. She did look good as she took off.
Cheers,
Paul.
Any news on the Vixen? Love this aircraft, really hope we get to see it flying again soon!!
Best of luck to those of you involved in completing the repairs.
Found this editorial from 1972. Same old…same old. Looks like the politicians of yesteryear were every bit as clueless as the bunch in government today!
Interestingly the author states Eagle is a better ship than Ark Royal. I have heard this before. It all comes back to politics again. Ark needed a lot more work and money spending on her to operate phantoms. Devonport was a marginal seat for Labour…..
I think the Vixen had four different hydraulic systems which needed a lot of tlc back in the day to keep working properly. I have the book “The De- Havilland Sea Vixen” by Tony Buttler. Excellent book one chapter deals with individual history’s for each airframe. There are numerous incidents of nose or main gear collapsing on landing. However XP924 seems to have escaped a U/C leg collapse on landing until now.
The following is an extract from from the history of XP924 which records the following landing/take off incidents; Port tyre burst on landing skidded to port, Yeovilton, Cat LQ 7.10.66 (Lt GJMW Broadwater & S/L RG Parker); Std tyre burst on landing, aircraft ran off runway, Cat HC 15.12.66 (Lt GJWM Broadwater & S/L BM Brock) ; Port tyre burst on take-off, recovered into PUAG Cat LQ 2.3.70 (LT JM Dixon)
Cat LQ – Light damage repairable by squadron resources
Cat HC – Heavy Damage repairable on Ship or station but requiring contractor’s working party.
I do hope the damage sustained in this incident is minimal and we can enjoy seeing XP924 in the air again soon.
I was at Saints from Christmas ’76 to November ’82 working on Phantoms and Buccaneers with a short 6 month spell on Vulcans. I returned for a last tour of duty from ’90 to ’93 working in MCRF. 4 years later I was back again as a Civvy working on Jaguars Sea Harriers, RAF Harriers and Hawks. I was early retired on the grounds of redundancy when the fast jet facility was closed in 2007. I had some good times at Saints and have some happy memories of the place. As the first 10 years of my RAF career were spent working on Phantoms they will always be my favourite aircraft, and it’s a pity that Uncle Sam has prevented there being any privately owned Phantoms in taxying or flying order. It was a sad day when the F4 was scrapped and some were scrapped straight off the maintenance line.
It’s sad that aircraft servicing has now finished there, and I think that moving deep strip maintenance away from Saints was a very bad mistake.
Have you any recollection of the Navys Phantoms and Buccaneers returning from Ark Royal to Saints in 1979? Was there a lot of conversion work to be carried out before handing over to RAF service?
In answer to the above post I was just speculating whether or not intended buyers of the F35C may have to look for another A/C to fulfil their requirement if the tail hook issue could not be sorted, however,
The tail hook on F-35C is merely a quick-fix, and i can’t imagine F-35C being switched for Sea Gripen for any Carrier that can handle F-35C.
If the problem is easily fixed then it’s obvious they won’t have to.
With the problems now surfacing with F35C tail hook to main wheel arrested recovery problem, I think it would be a good time for Saab to promote the Sea Gripen again.
Problems aside how does the capabilities of these two a/c match up?
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/article-view/release/131779/a-closer-look-at-the-f_35%E2%80%99s-tailhook-problems.html :rolleyes: omg….
Any ideas on the most likely replacement if the UK decides to dump this problem child?