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January 2, 2011 at 9:24 pm in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1099240

Paul Holtom
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They are fantastic thank you, can I ask do you have the prints of these pictures?

Unfortunately not Pagen. The Ark Royal 1957 photos were emailed to me by a friend who had the prints on loan from someone at his local RNA branch.

The Gannets at Eglinton I got off the web some time ago.

More importantly do you have any more of Wyverns :D;)

Same goes for the Wyvern photos I’m sorry to say Wyvernfan:(

January 2, 2011 at 2:08 pm in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1099658

Paul Holtom
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Ok, a few things:

The aircraft is a F3H-2M.

It’s VF-61 “Jolly Rogers”.

The aircraft are from USS Saratoga.

The photo was taken in September 1957 during Operation Strikeback.

Thank you for your info Distiller:)

January 2, 2011 at 1:27 pm in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1099683

Paul Holtom
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Fantastic pictures Muscle Manta, thanks for sharing here, one can’t get enough Gannets!

Thanks pagen, here’s another one of Gannets on the flight line in 1958 at HMS Gannet, RNAS Eglinton, Nr Ireland. This is now Derry airport.

January 2, 2011 at 12:54 pm in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1099702

Paul Holtom
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Well to repeat, since you seem to have failed to read it the first time: in 1957 the only Demon squadron operating from Forrestal was VF-14, and the tail code was T.

Your photo shows a tail code of AG… which was only applied to air wing 7. However, it might be the case that the tail code was changed during 1957*… VF-61 was operating Demons from USS Saratoga in the North Atlantic and the Norwegian Sea (for Operation Strikeback) from September 3, 1957 – October 22, 1957; air wing 7; tail code L.

If the tail code was changed from “L” to “AG” during this deployment, then this is the ship and squadron they are from.

Your identification of the squadron number must also be incorrect, as VF-51 was operating FJ-3M Furies from USS Bonhomme Richard in the Pacific Ocean from July 12, 1957 – December 9, 1957; CVG-5; tail code NF; ports of call: Pearl Harbor, Hi.; Yokosuka, Japan; Kobe, Japan; Iwakuni, Japan; Beppu, Japan; Cubi Point, Philippines; Hong Kong

These are the only squadrons to operate the F3H Demon:

Atlantic Fleet:
VF-13, VF-14, VF-31, VF-41, VF-61, VF-82, VF-131, VF-161

Pacific Fleet:
VF-21, VF-24, VF-53, VF-54, VF-64, VF-92, VF-112, VF-114, VF-122, VF-124, VF-141, VF-151, VF-193, VF-213

In addition, Demons also served with two replacement training squadrons (VF-101 and VF-121), with two evaluation squadrons (VX-3 and VX-4), and with one composite squadron (VC-3).

* Note that when the two-letter tail codes began to be applied, in mid-1957, all Atlantic Ocean air wings got a code beginning with “A”, and all Pacific Ocean air wings got a code beginning with “N”.

Sorry for the confusion Badger I didn’t doubt your knowledge of ship/squadron deployment. I thought you were trying to tell me the photo was later than 1957.

I have attached the full sized photo for you to down load and expand. It does look like VF51 however I bow to your greater knowledge on the subject.

Paul.

January 2, 2011 at 10:27 am in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1099804

Paul Holtom
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I’m not seeing that MM, just a Movietone showreel… no sight or mention of Seahawks or Wyverns.

Just realised it might be that registration and log in are necessary to view. Register, log in and then click on the link below. It’s worth the effort some good stuff on there.
http://www.movietone.com/N_POPUP_Player.cfm?action=playVideo&assetno=125245

January 1, 2011 at 11:01 pm in reply to: CVF Construction #2015327

Paul Holtom
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F/A18 RN wrote;
By the way towards the top of the photo, to the right of the control tower, are those ‘white triangles’ three or four Sea Vixens with their wings folded?[/QUOTE]

That’s was my thinking too, with a wing profile like that they can’t be anything else!

January 1, 2011 at 10:30 pm in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1100089

Paul Holtom
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NO!

As I said before, ONLY INDEPENDENCE used tail code AG!

NO USN carrier used tail code AG before Independence, so NO aircraft would carry it before January 1959, and all aircraft with it after that date would be from Independence.

Here are the tail codes used by Forrestal during that time period: http://navysite.de/cvn/cv59deploy.htm

January 15, 1957 – July 22, 1957; CVW-1; tail code T; VF-14 (F3H-2N)

This was Forrestal’s ONLY deployment with Demons.

I know for sure the photo is from 1957. Ark was on the US eastern sea board during this commission. BTW on expanding the photo I noticed the following, the Demon’s are marked “VF51” not VF61, the letter on the flight deck of Ark Royal (just visable behind the last Demon) is an “O” This changed to”R” in 1959.

January 1, 2011 at 9:11 pm in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1100139

Paul Holtom
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Just watched it, but not sure what i’m looking for or expecting to see MM?

Two Wyvern cat launch after the Sea hawks about 1to2 mins before the end of clip.

January 1, 2011 at 7:28 pm in reply to: CVF Construction #2015344

Paul Holtom
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F-35s in RN markings? How about these?;):D

Love it Obi 🙂
Thanks for the art work!

January 1, 2011 at 7:12 pm in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1100270

Paul Holtom
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Wyvernfan, Have you seen this clip before? Some shots near the end of the Wyverns on the cats….enjoy!
http://www.movietone.com/N_search.cfm?ActionFlag=back2ResultsView&start=330&pageStart=321&totalRecords=444&V_DateType=1&V_DECADE=1950&V_FromYear=1951&V_QualifySubject=&V_storyNumber=&V_TermsToOmit=&V_ToYear=1980&V_searchType=1&V_MainSubject=Aircraft%20carriers&V_Year=1950&V_resultsPerPage=10

January 1, 2011 at 5:54 pm in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1100305

Paul Holtom
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Correct me if I am wrong but is that the Queens HMY Britannia on the port side?

It’s the Royal Yacht that I’m sure of, however I don’t know if it is Britannia or her predecssor.

January 1, 2011 at 9:58 am in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1100548

Paul Holtom
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With the “Home Fleet” 1957. I think the Harp on the tail of the Gannets was 815 sqdn. There shore base was RNAS Eglinton now Derry/Londonderry Airport!

January 1, 2011 at 9:55 am in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1100551

Paul Holtom
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1957 Ark Royal on a visit to New York. Of note is Ark’s side lift which was removed soon after this commission.

January 1, 2011 at 9:35 am in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1100655

Paul Holtom
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Wyvernfan, one for you. This is also Ark Royal in 1957. No idea what squadrons the a/c are from! anyone?

January 1, 2011 at 2:15 am in reply to: USN Aircraft Identification needed please #1100673

Paul Holtom
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Checking the lists of carrier deployments here: http://navysite.de/carriers.htm shows that the only carrier to deploy with CVW-7 (AG) and F3H Demons was indeed USS Independence (CV-62).
http://navysite.de/cvn/cv62deploy.htm

CV-62 commissioned January 10, 1959, and made the following deployments with F3H Demons:
August 4, 1960 – March 3, 1961; VF-41 (F3H-2)
August 4, 1961 – December 19, 1961; VF-41 (F3H-2)

On her April 19, 1962 – August 27, 1962 cruise, VF-41 was replaced by VMF(AW)-115 (F4D-1 Skyray).

VF-41 returned for the August 6, 1963 – March 4, 1964 cruise, but with F-4B Phantoms.

The F3H Demon made its first carrier deployment aboard USS Forrestal from January 1957 to July 1957, and was removed from squadron service in September 1964.

Demons deployed with all 7 CVA-Essex carriers, all 3 Midway class carriers, and all 4 Forrestal class super-carriers, but not from Kitty Hawk, Constellation, or Enterprise (all 3 entered commission in 1961).

Thank you all for the identification.The Sea Hawk in the photo has the tail code “B” for HMS Bulwark. This photo was taken on Ark Royal in 1957. The Sea Hawk was out of front line service by 1960. Does that mean the Demons were cross decking from the Forrestal?

Here’s another shot of a Demon being launched from Arks port catapult.
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