The OCU would stay in Lossiemouth since the Tornado simulator and training is in there and it would make no sense to transfer them all)
617° Squadron
2° Squadron
13° Squadron
12° Squadron
31° Squadron[for what i understood is the 9° and 14° Squadrons that will be closed down, either way for sure 2 Squadrons. The 617° will relocate to Marham.]
The F35C in the long term could have 14 airplanes in a large, common OCU/OEU managed by the RAF but used by the Navy as well. And ideally, in a smart, ideal world, there would be 4/5 Squadrons of 12 machines each.
If 4, two RAF (617° and 13° my suggestion, i want the Dambusters to live on!) and two Navy (800 and 801 NAS). If five, ideally i’d want a third RN unit (thus ensuring a full 36-strong airwing for QE), and it would be the 892 NAS that once flew Phantom from HMS Ark Royal IV. That would be an endless amount of awesome. 809 and 899 (ex-Sea Harrier units) could also be obvious candidate for resurrection. I’d love that.As it stands, however, there’s the risk that the sole 800 NAS will survive, and providing only crews, besides. The F35C risks being a “RAF only” toy, with very awful risk of seeing them horribly rarely on the deck of the carriers they should equip.
Hope the Royal Navy fights hard and gets its own in the coming years. Hopefully, the SDSR 2015 will give us clue.The admirals will better bash hard on the point that we are buying the things for the carriers, goddamnit.
It would be nice to see 800 returning to Lossie after a break of around 50 years. I like the idea! Anybody hope to see F35c’s (like the Buccaneers below at Lossie) in Navy livery with a carrier tail code?

Thanks for the info Eric.
A few years ago a friend of mine tried to find out which building at Aldermaston airfield was used by Eagle as the passenger terminal, however he was unsuccessful.
Almost all the old war time buildings at Aldermaston were still extant until not very long ago. The control tower went this year.
I work at AWE Aldermaston. I was told Eagle Airways were based here at one time after the war before the Atomic people took over the old airfield in the ’50s, anyone got any info on this?
Started watching “Sailor” on dvd. Its a very cool bbc series from 1976. FANTASTIC footage of Ark Royal! Ahhh…..when Britain had a REAL aircraft carrier!:)
Brings back a lot of memories for me. I was a Naval air Mechanic on the Buccaneer (809) squadron at the time.
We joined the ship at Devonport from RAF Honington flying to St Mawgan in the back of a Belfast! Then by bus to Plymouth.
The same day I was queuing at the on-board Naafi when I felt someone pulling at my hair….then the booming voice of Tom Wilkinson Master at arms, ‘Where the hell do you think your going with hair like that you great party!’ I was marched off to the barber before reporting to the Regulating office….happy days when I look back, not sure if I enjoyed it all that much at the time!
That is one cute sleeper Muscle Manta… me likes that. What has she got under the bonnet? 😎
4.6 ltr Rover V8 fed from Edelbrock 4 barrel carb.
That is one cute sleeper Muscle Manta… me likes that. What has she got under the bonnet? 😎
4.6 ltr Rover V8 fed from Edelbrock 4 barrel carb.
I agree with the point raised. People are charged entry at Abingdon to see the aircraft display and the majority of people attending will also be intrested in the classic car display.
It does seem unfair to charge classic owners to display their cars when they contribute to the show attractions.
Photo below of my 1972 Opel Manta with modifications -V8 engine up-rated drivetrain/brakes

I agree with the point raised. People are charged entry at Abingdon to see the aircraft display and the majority of people attending will also be intrested in the classic car display.
It does seem unfair to charge classic owners to display their cars when they contribute to the show attractions.
Photo below of my 1972 Opel Manta with modifications -V8 engine up-rated drivetrain/brakes

I found the following information on the crew of DP872. Taken from “RNVR Officers 1939-1945.
Oxby,
Dennis Herbert *
D.H. Oxby (Photo courtesy of Mr D.L. Oxby)
Son of Frederick William Oxby, and Dorothy Oxby (née Wheeler).
* birth registered as Herbert Dennis Oxby
07.10.1924
Lincoln district, Lincolnshire
–
29.08.1944
[age 19]
[Faughanvale (St Canice) Church of Ireland Churchyard, Eglinton, Londonderry, NW Extension]
T/A/S.Lt. (A)
?
Education: Bulwell Hall Estate School (…-1935); won a scholarship to High Pavement Grammar School (1935-1940)
Worked with Nottingham Corporation Transport Department.
?
–
29.08.1944
HMS Peewit (RN Air Station, East Haven, Angus)
[in his last week of training he was flying a Fairey Barracuda II [DP872] which took off from Maydown for East Haven, spun into bog five miles from airfield – Blackhead Moss near Enagh Lough, Waterside, Londonderry; S.Lt. D.H. Oxby RNVR, S.Lt. F.R. Dobbie RNVR and Ldg.Airm. D.A.T. Mew were all killed]
Link to page; http://www.unithistories.com/officers/RNVR_officersO.html
I have riffled through Control Column magazine from 1970 to 1974 inclusive. There are no photos. There is mention of the Irish Barracuda in the BAPC report of late 1971 saying recovery has been delayed until next year.
Best I can do.
Lee Howard, any views?
Mark
Thank you Mark, I wrongly thought it was 1970. However I don’t think it was as late as ’72 as I had moved from the area by then.
I remember when visiting the FAA Museum ten years ago that there were some pics about the recovery next to the nose of the Barracuda. Would make a great article in any of the magzines
Cees
I did see the photos you mention, however I don’t think they show much of the recovery process.
I would indeed love to see a magazine article with history of the crash and the the story why it took twenty seven years before an attempt was made to recover the wreck….was there an unsuccessful attempt in 1944?
I believe the remains of the crew were buried in a local curch yard after an postmortem in 1971. I am not aware if any relatives of the crew were contacted or attended the funerals.
Paul.
Hi Mark, Any idea where I could find copies?
Yes! this is the a/c at the fleet air arm museum. I did get to see the wreck around 1980. I was on 702 squadron at Yeovilton at the time. I contacted the museum and asked if they had the wreck and if I could see it. Some weeks later I got a call from the curator. I made my way to a hanger on the other side of the airfield where the wreck was stored, however I was unable to see very much as it was very dark in the hanger as there was no lighting. The engine and instrument panel has been restored and is on display in the museum. I must contact them and ask if they have any plans for the rest of the airframe.
“Is there anything else on your wish list?…. Non American?!!!!!!”
Lightning F2a
Seafire FR47
He 219uhu
Bristol Beaufighter 1, IV, X
Phantom FG1/FGR2
FW 190D-9/13I’m sure if I sold my Escort Mk2 RS2000 I could afford one of those:D
Would anyone swap me a Buccaneer for this;

Ollie: I think the pics of ‘631’ in the MARTSU move are of XN929 en-route to Honington approx 1970 for use as a ground instructional airframe. By approx 1972 its cockpit was cut off and taken to 237 OCU Ground School for use as a cockpit trainer. The later ‘631’ being craned onto the Bark Royal was another aircraft (forget the serial just now).
Your Dit – one of our aircraft is missing – is correct. I was at Honington at the time (approx ’72) and when 809 disembarked they had one less aircraft than what they started with. I think the one which went over the side was XT269 but don’t quote me.
Must say that this thread has thrown up some spectaular photos the like of which I have not seen before. Has anyone got any pics of XV333 (or was it 332?) when it had the 1,000-pounder dropped into its cockpit?
It must have been XV332 whats the story behind this?? did the A/C survive?? As for XV333 it’s in the Fleet air arm museum carrier exhibit in 801 squadron markings. I would have thought they would have removed the bomb door tank before displaying her in her early naval colours I think it looks so wrong! I was one of the plane captains on this A/C in 1976 when she was coded 030 on 809 squadron on board Ark Royal:) happy days.