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I do not think i have ever read at least me, a performance comparation between the F-4 and MiG-23 relating turn rates using graphs, niether i have ever written before about the handling capabilities at low speed and low altitude, the question Sferring is simply many are upset when they are shown real data for the MiG-23 and show it was not a total waste of money.
as a fighter it is widely forgotten the good qualities the MiG-23 had and if you dare to say it had some good qualities some people feel you are lying or bothering just to reapeted for a second or third time.
the MiG-23M has better handling than the Tornado IDS, General Dynamics F-111 and Su-24 in what respects agility.
The MiG-23BN has a Max load factor of 7Gs quit close to other dedicated variable geometry strike aircraft such as the Tornado IDS, F-111 and Su-24.
The Tornado IDS has a Max load factor of 7.5Gs, the F-111F and the Su-24M are limited to a Max load factor of 6Gs, the earlier Su-24 Fencer A has a lod factor of 6.5Gs
when you see this factors and you see if the MiG-23 achieves a lock on one of these aircraft you can see the MiG-23 fighter variant was able to shot down several aircrat that have been claimed as victims shot down by MiG-23s such as the F-111 or Panavia Tornado.
Another question is usually few comparasions have little use of accurate data from manuals and this creates myths, many consider that the F-4 is always a better fighter than the MiG-23, few see the good aspects of the aircraft in few words as a fighter the MiG-23 was a good third generation aircraft and a real match for the F-4.
I fully agree with Phantom II, Sferrin and Meat. Perhaps its wise for MiG-23MLD to donate his time and efforts in places (threads) where its usefull like perhaps here : http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=66787
P.S. By the way great post/reply (#27) Meat. Your example about the cars could not have been more clear (I hope) !!!!!:D
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