Possible to give details on the engines you have in mind? The fatter engine mentioned by a Saab official in one Gripen-N interview would be the F414, but there was talk about the EJ2x0 being the right size to replace the RM12 without reengineering the airframe?
Edit: rewriting some bits.
Up to 15% using enhanced RM12. 25% using the F414 and 40+ % using the new version of F414 that was announced by GE in 2005. There’s plans to redesign the fuselarge to accept a larger engine diameter too such as the F110-GE-132 of UAE’s F16. Saab said this large-diameter jet is likely one of the demonstrators to be financed by the Swedish military but they will make their call on what is most attractive for export. As usual they have more than one concept to work from. In October Gripen will present a updated offer to Norway so maybe they have more info then.
But I’m confident that Volvo Aero (which has a Norwegian division btw) and their partner GE will provide any engine. They are more than just a supplier.
It is true the original Gripen for Sweden (from about 20 different models, narrowed down to 3 and then 1) was designed around the Rb 199 (from the Tornado), the Pratt & Whitney PW1120 and the General Electric F404-400. In fact the PW1120 was the prefered choice on pure technological factors.
What are the specs of the Gripen N chaps?
Phil 🙂
It’s a bit larger slightly larger wings and the under carriage is rearranged so the wheels go up into the wings instead. The allocated space in the ‘belly’ will be used for internal fuel and 3 weapon pylons in total there. About twice the range of 39C, 25-40% more thrust depending on engine choice, Satcom, new radar, enhanced EW suite… And I mean, in the end it’s unlikely we will see Norway bomb Tehran anytime soon so a bit of CAS and Airdefense, Naval strike (this is an issue unresolved on JSF btw) is basically what I suppose is in a direct need.
The information from Swedish military HQ is a intention to finance a demonstrator to be built as part of their export support plan for Gripen.
Sheets from gripen.com docs:


Gripen DK is the same as N.

This pic is the real flirt with Norway as it carry 4 of the new Kongsberg (50% state-owned) NSM’s and loads of fuel for Naval patrol.
Yes, interoperability with NATO is the main priority for their procurement processes.
That has never been mentioned as a significant factor in the upcoming decision. In fact the deputy minister of defense said all jets meet the requirements for Norway and emphasise the need to secure the development of Norwegian defense industry in the long term.
Norway’s TV2 yesterday reported that the choice is mainly between JSF and Gripen N now as they had a interview with the minister when he flew the Gripen in Sweden this week. The parent companies to JSF/Gripen offer better industrial contracts than the competition at the same time as EADS is losing interest. Gripen offering not only 35% more money in industrial contracts compared to LM but also 100% shared ownership and transparency on the new N model. I wouldn’t say the EF is out of the game just yet but Gripen N is starting to make it to the #2 slot for sure.
Gripen.. even as a two-seater it’s not bad.

The Algerian deal for Su-30 was a done deal. No way they will buy rafale. Its just too costly for them.
The SU-30’s would be offseted against Russian loans. Same plan was for the transfer of Rafale’s. To offset against French loans to Algeria.
So.
According to Oleg Demchenko, the contracts for delivering from 12 to 28 fighters to Algeria and from 12 to 18 fighters to Thailand will be entered into in late this year or at the start of the next year.
What a load of crock again. 🙂 Thailand has already had to tell off the Russians in the past for fabricating news like this.
Thailand is in a governmental crisis at the moment and the decision to buy jets will happen around mid-2007. In 2004 they did prefer the Gripen but a change of airchief, government crisis, accusations of bribes from Russia have caused a lot of misinformation and delays.
Thailand have continuously been to Sweden for system familiarization and even had pilots fly the jets, the latest airchief and operative AF commander came over in May ’06 to get rides in 39D. Also the new Swedish offer is with awacs which Thailand could use not only for air/ground but also to monitor the waters and for disaster relief in case of another tsunami.
Algeria is close to a deal with France too… this sounds like a Russian attempt to boost their PR although of course they have a chance like anyone else.
NG is the one thats teaming up with L3 and being funded by LMA on contract , that is why you see the Apg-77 being worked upon and not the Apg-79 which is a product of Raytheon.
Ah! roger that.
Nice info thanks.
It’s also part of Ericsson NORA (Not Only a Radar) and they work close with Raytheon on some issues but if this is the same solution I have no idea… NORA is otoh fully funded but I guess a bit longer into the future as it’s a total multichan aesa/ew/datacom solution and individual features won’t be funded as side-projects.
Pretty cool though I never saw this coming to be honest.
It’s not a fighter it’s a sub-sonic trainer. There might be a light-attack version too in the future but that’s speculation on the web.
It started as a joint project with Russia based on the Mikojan I-2000 design but Russia backed out. Iran have bought rights to the design, since then the project is delayed but talk is about a first flight next year.
They have really not advanced much at all in aerospace design. The components come from Russia/ukraine still.
So many.. but here’s one.

Eh, I only put up the F-16 number to get some reactions but still I have not received any actual debate on the official numbers of the jet in question. So once again:
Take off Weight:
Normal (including rockets 2xR-27R1 + 2xR-73E, 5270 kg fuel), 24,900 kg
And:
Maximum flight range (with rockets 2xR-27R1, 2xR-73E launched at half distance):
– at sea level, km 1,270 (half distance 635 km)
– at height, km 3,000 (half distance 1500 km)
I’m just trying to flush out the truth here. During a “Normal” take off Sukhoi put up those numbers and then they put up range of the jet without specifying the internal fuel. I’d like to know how some people claim combat ranges several thousand of clicks while there’s no official data to support their claims. I also noticed today the info on the SU-27SK Maximum ordnance, kg 4430 Kg, this is not often talked about either.
Who’s talking about 5270 kg, you were told that the plane can carry 9400 kg INTERNALLY!!!
OK there’s two options here.
One
Take off Weight:
Normal (including rockets 2xR-27R1 + 2xR-73E, 5270 kg fuel), 24,900 kg
Two:
Maximum flight range (with rockets 2xR-27R1, 2xR-73E launched at half distance):
– at sea level, km 1,270 (half distance 635 km)
– at height, km 3,000 (half distance 1500 km)
Only using 4 AA missiles. Imagine using a heavy load. Even if the jet has a full load of fuel during the above mentioned range the combat radius is no where near what some people try to claim.
You only forgot to mention that this is near to ground maximum flight range. In altitude it is more than 3000 km.
Here is OFFICIAL Su-30MK material…
Thanks for the pics. The material said just like sukhoi’s webpage 3000 km range. It doesn’t offer any combat radius data. The only thing close to this is Sukhoi’s “Normal loadout” using just 5270 kg of fuel.
And anyone trying to say 5270 kg will take this jet far is nuts.
Did you miss the part how the page you linked to is 1,270km combat radius at sea level? At altitude it’s 3,000km.
It doesn’t say combat radius at all.
On the face of it that sounds like total bovine excrement. Source? Weapons? Altitude?
All over the place. For instance:
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/pub629.pdf
Can’t say what load-out but with external tanks it’s far more. Anyway, perhaps that info is not official enough so let’s ignore any comparison at all and just focus on the SU-30MK then.
You claim that the “Normal” loadout will take the Su-30MK a whole 3000 km at altitude ? Tell me how.
In any event, your entire “myth” argument is based on not reading the page properly.
I read the page exactly, I quoted them exactly.
Tell me again how 5270 kg of fuel with a combined TOW of 24,900 kg will put this jet at a combat radius at 3000 km or even one 1270km ?
About european AESA: euros still didnt managed to get it operational.
If you mean fighter jets. USA is the world leader in operational AESA’s for fighter jets, they are also using a much larger machine park while European countries can not allow for a significant number of jets to be ‘test beds’ just because someone said AESA is the latest cool kit on the market.
What is interesting is operational functionality using quality proven products available today. France, Sweden, UK have all flown AESA demonstrators but just because it’s “AESA” doesn’t make it any better than the current mature operational system. Russia has a small fleet too so I suppose they to wish to wait for their AESA products to mature.
The JAS 39’s PS05 Mk3 is already the strongest operational multifunction radar in Europe today at 160km bvr capability + a decent SAR, and while a AESA is possible to install the aim is to enhance the current one in ground modes with high resolution SAR and autonomy, and further advance the AESA technology during this time.
The roadmap is all the way to 2025, by 2012 the first AESA is to be operational and by 2015 the breakthrough Saab Ericsson Multi-sensor integrations suite with a multichannel AESA/EW is to be available. This is the funded SwAF plan, if a foreign customer would like to buy a AESA Gripen much earlier, then they can, it just won’t be a significant step up from the current radar.
You can either produce them yourself (read you need develop special technology and build special plant) or you have to sponsor these big manufactures a building of special production line, at which point its cheaper to build that line in your country anyway. This is also a problem for European AESA manufactures.
Err… ever heard of a little company called Ericsson ? They are currently focused on reducing the size of the modules but still increase effect. So far they have demonstrated an array with 15,000 TR modules. Nothing says that one will go into a fighter jet radar but fact is they are developing the components for the multi-channel AESA to the Swedish NORA III Programme.
You don’t do breakthroughs with baby-steps…