Comparing a roughly 10 ton attack chopper to a roughly 8 ton American attack Chopper is rather more realistic than comparing a Havoc with a BO-105… or would you like to add tests for resistance to enemy fire and firepower?
I’m not the one making the argument that the Swedish military thought the HAVOC have better manuverability. I am asking against what. You claim it, you support it.
So compared to what did it have better manuverability ? The only other choppers to compare against at the time of the Havoc trials were the Apache and the BO-105.
So Sweden has no radars at all… Civilian or military… so flying at night would allow any enemy carte blanche over sweden… doesn’t sound right to me…
You don’t know much about radars do you….you don’t fight choppers with civilian high-altitude radars.
Well, that’s not what I said. Read what I typed. At the time of the trials Sweden had no protection vs low-altitude objects like choppers and cruise missiles with the use of radar guided launch systems. Only spot on equipment like 40mm guns and laser guided MANPADS. If you haven’t noticed 90% of Sweden is protected by sea (Norway excluded), there’s not going to come a chopper from the baltic sea.
If one would come into Sweden it would do so in the north over Finland and the infantry batallions had to their disposal what I just mentioned. Today it’s however a different multi-layer defense.
First of all if your only airdefence are some medium calibre AAA and shoulder fired missiles perhaps you shouldn’t buy any attack helos. Any fighter with a modern radar and modest AAM would be able to wipe out your fleet very quickly.
Again you seem to fail at simply reading what I type. The changes made since the mid 90s and turn of the century is big improvements in air defense.
Before this it was totally crap. With a large interceptor fleet taking on that role.
Instead of trying to patch a hole they decided to skip a generation and today there’s a network of 3D electronically steered phase array stations in land and in the air together with mobile missile stations capable of everything from UAV, choppers, cruise missiles, low signature jets, all the high ceiling bombers of the Russian fleet and spot on (40km range) ballistic missiles.
They are all datalinked too so the target aquisition can be done either by the launch system or another intelligence platform such as a Gripen jet or ground based. Since you don’t know about the current Swedish systems either maybe I should do a presentation.. ?
There’s no denying it, the Swedish SAM systems were crap up until around 1997-2000 and anyone claiming they could penetrate with choppers it’s like saying there’s water in the sea.
Does this reputible source of your give reasons for discounting the Havoc and Cobra from the running?
Havoc = spare parts
Cobra = no word.
This is nothing about hating russia or russian equipment or anything, it’s reality debunking internet myths.
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