Hello folks, I was wondering if anyone could help me trace the History, Squadrons and Pilots of Mk 1 Spitfire R7154. She was a presentation Spitfire bought in 1940 by donation (Spitfire Fund) of the people of Accrington, Church and Oswaldtwistle. The photograph of the aircrafts cockpit was taken c. 1941. Can any help trace this aircraft or does anyone have any photographs or any knowledge of the spitfireโs war time history?
Hi, welcome to the forum.
The entry for this aircraft in ‘Spitfire – The History’ shows the following information:
First flight, 26 February 1941
12 MU, 1 March 1941
124 Sqn, 7 May 1941
Forced landing, Sandwood Bay, Caithness, 30 September 1941
Struck off charge, 30 March 1942
124 Sqn was reformed with Spitfire Mk 1’s at Castletown, in the extreme north of Scotland, for the defence of Scapa Flow, on 10 May 1941. It moved to Biggin Hill on 17 November 1941, having then re-equipped with Spitfire VA’s.
I have no further details than that, I’m afraid. You could try a “Google” search on 124 Sqn to see what that brings up.
Another track is to obtain copies of the 124 Sqn Operational Record Book (F540/541) for the period 1 May – 31 Oct 41, from the National Archive at Kew and check what details are recorded in there. These forms usually record which pilots flew what aircraft on whatever day.
If you ask them, the RAF Museum can also supply a copy of the Aircraft Movement Card (AM Form 78). See their website.
BR
Laurie.
Was R8831 a trials aircraft? If so, that might explain the possibility of there being no cannons. What unit wore the codes EL and operated Typhoons?
EL was 181 Sqn. They operated a mix of Typhoon 1A/1B from Sep 42 – Dec 42. After that, it was 1B’s until disbandment in Sep 45
BR
Laurie.
Thanks Paul, well that is a different spelling from all the references I have, which all state Bouey, not Booy. My references come from many different sources, so I wonder if the Times made a typo, or if everyone else did. I will look further into Mr J.M. de Booy though, cheers mate.
Dave,
The presentation list in my book does not include any reference to de Booy/Royal Dutch/Shell either. However, this list not definitive as I have spotted several omissions.
It will be interesting to see what is in the new book when it comes out later this year.
BR
Laurie.
Thought you guys might like to see this.
This is the Watch Office of the old RAF Penang seaplane base at Glugor on the east coast of the island, very close to where the Penang Bridge road link now comes on to the island. The road just visible at the bottom of the photo is the 6 lane dual carriageway for the bridge. The land was reclaimed in the mid-80’s.
The upper story has been demolished but the building is still in use by the Maritime Division of the Royal Malaysian Police. A lot of the old buildings of the base still survive and are also used as workshops or offices by the police unit.
BR
Laurie.
I checked that because I saw the De Bruyne name on Henry Boot’s website, but I have several different sources which state Bill married Mary Dorothea de Bouey, from newspapers to magazines.
Her parents had a flat in London, according to one source. I believe her parents had a fairly big business in Britain, but this is unconfirmed. It may have been in the clothing industry, I have a glimour of a memory that someone mentioned this. Let’s just say many people have said Bill married well.
Dave,
I have just been through the list again, there is nothing even remotely like the name of de Bouey.
The other possibility is that mentioned by Mark 12 earlier, the Netherlands East Indies (NEI) Fund. They were directly responsible for the presentation of 60 Spitfires, more than any other donor. There are another 5 aircraft which bear place names from that area that are not directly attributed to the NEI but could have been presented by them.
BR
Laurie.
Does anyone happen to know the identity of two Spitfires (allegedly – though my info is from an August 1943 magazine so may be incorrect) that were donated to the RAF by a Dutchman who lived in London by the name of Mr de Bouey?
His daughter Mary married Cambridge’s Spitfire ace ‘Bill’ Wells.
Dave,
Just had a look through the presentation aircraft section of ‘Spitfire – The Story of a Famous Fighter’, but can find no mention of a Mr de Bouey.
BR
Laurie.
I certainly have (at home, so not postable before Monday) a photo of that one being raised by the Germans after belly landing (FY-K of 611 Sqn). The photo (part of it) featured in the Mushroom book on Spitfire V.
However, I feel more association with W3817 as the Spitfire served with no. 501 Sqn and was coded SD-O ๐ at one time.
I wonder why?? :rolleyes:
‘Spitfire – The History’ shows W3816 allocated to 611 Sqn 29 Aug 41. Failed to return from ops, 20 Sep 41.
Regards,
Laurie.
Sorry guys, no further photos of Seafires “wearing” rocket gear in my collection.
However, there are some in both ‘Spitfire – The History’ and ‘Warpaint No. 20’. These both show a couple of 1833 Sqn, RNVR, FR Mk 47’s, with the kit fitted. Looking at the background of the photos though, it seems this might have been for demo purposes at an Air Day somewhere circa 1952/53.
Regards,
Laurie.
TT.
A little bit of extra info on that presentation. Did you know that there was a second Spitfire presented by the paper at the same time as W3817?
This was W3816, “The Shopmate”. In the ‘Presentation Spitfires’ section of my copy of ‘Spitfire – The Story of a Famous Fighter’ by Bruce Robertson, it shows both aircraft as being presented by John White and the Northampton Evening Telegraph.
BR,
Laurie.
Like many Battles, it ended with both sides saying they had won :rolleyes: .
Ok, I have read Guy Gibson’s version of this great battle,
But has anyone else out there got some other view point’s from other chap’s involved at the time of this age-old rivals match :confused: .The Bomber Baron’s versus the Fighter Glamour Boy’s ๐ .(did they ever run out of Brylcream :p )
Cheer’s all ๐ , Tally :dev2: Ho! :dev2: Ho! Phil :diablo: .
I have read Gibson’s account too but am not aware of anyone from the other squadron’s involved putting pen to paper and relating their side. I would be interested in learning if such an account does exist.
It was somewhat ironic that Gibson should end up flying for the ‘other side’, a short while later.
BR
Laurie.
I would be interested to learn of any operational or training use of the Rocket Assisted Take Off Gear on both Merlin and Griffon powered Seafires.
Mark
Mark, Dave,
Rocket assisted take-offs were used quite often by 800 Sqn Seafire 47’s during their involvement in Korea. I don’t have too many details, but I do have some photos. Attached is one showing VP480 taking off from the deck of HMS Triumph with the gear attached and operating.
I think I might have some more photos on the other disk. I’ll have a look and post if I can find them.
BR
Laurie.
One of my first attempts at shooting sunsets in early October last year. The northwest tip of Penang Island as the sun goes down.
It’s one of a pair of EC-121 from the 193d Tactical Electronic Warfare Squadron of the Pennsylvania Air Guard that operated from Korat in Thailand in 1970 as part of Operation “Commando Buzz” – the 193rd were a “psy-ops” unit that broadcast propanganda and so on over the radio and TV.
I presume the “airline” paint scheme was some sort of subterfuge to make it look like a civil machine.
Just found this photo of one of the Pennsilvania ANG machines:
http://www.dean-boys.com/extras/images/3.gif
Different aerial configuration, probably for slightly different mission, but the paint scheme, including markings, is pretty much the same. Type shown as EC-121S.
BR
Laurie.
It appears to be a modified USN colour scheme but devoid of all national and other markings, with the exception of the stars and stripes on the centre fin. That, along with the very specialised aerial fit seems to indicate an Elint aircraft.
Like Turbo_NZ, I’ve had a look on several sites which include EC121/WV-2 aircraft, all with no success. Reference books haven’t been of any help either.
I spent most of this afternoon looking through this site but no sign of anything like the aircraft in the photo:
http://www.dean-boys.com/ec-121.htm
Excellent little site though.
BR
Laurie.
Here she is waiting for spring
Mike
Thanks Mike. Looking immaculate as usual.
BR,
Laurie.