It’s really easy. Mig could just team up with HAL and IAI and set up a joint venture. Israel could market the Mig-29.
True, it’s not exactly an SA-6, but why bother adapting a 1960’s airframe design?
Why do you think it’s bad? The oniks of today is based on concepts from the Kh-20 of yesterday. The SA-6 ramrocket design is superb, with sustained propulsion and good aerodynamics. I can’t see a more “modern” missile design as of now.
Well… The supporters shows here their identity. Why else is one intrested in two missile projects on the other side of the moon. Intresting.
——————————————————————————–Care to explain that one? I don’t follow.
Oh come on, SOC! As if you don’t know? You’re now an “Indian” just like me :D, because you supposedly support india by seeing facts, thus incurring a teeny weeny bit of jealousy from the ragamuffin pak gang here, who unfortunately think they’re on par with india! 😀
Wow, 5 pages of pure unadultrated BS and fantasizing with absolutely nothing vaguely resembling a fact! Can I have those few minutes of my life back?
SOC, why do you bother with these dumbasses? If it’s not their flaming, it’s empty rhetoric such as this! “We have BVR capability wheeeeeee!!!!! India is doooomed!!!! Hoorray!!!” 😀
h177 aka village idiot himself has contradicted that pile of garbage with his report from the PAF cheif stating that they were still seeking BVR. Even if the Americans hand over the Aim-120C on a platter, the PAF’s outdated training would take some two decades to catch up with India’s current standards. When the tables were turned – when the PAF had winders and R530s and the IAF had minimal AAM capability, the paks still got their asses kicked! 😀
3 tests? Rapiers needed hundreds before service entry! Speaks volumes about (the lack of) quality conciousness in pakistan.
Last time I heard this, H-x missile was an off-boresight WVRAAM, like the PL-8/9. T-darter has’nt been sold to pakistan, nor has the any darter series. Not one single airborne radar used by the PAF can even detect, forget track, a target at 120 km. 😀
Now it’s a bomb and also a BVR missile and it can evade radar and it’s “out of sight” 😀
India does’nt have the Python-4 either. So the PAF official does’nt even have a clue as to what enemy no.1’s inventory is!
Either this is some fool’s poor attempt at a prank or really dumb journalist’s BS which a lot of the usual nationalists are falling for.
Originally posted by h177
You made a remark about F-22. Now you provide any evidence in any news media where F-22 is mentioned for Pakistan. Pakistan is only looking at F-16MLU and M2K untill this point now and that only after FC-1 manufacturing is fully established so further fighters manufacture and their upgradation can be locally done.
Actually it did come up twice in your pakdef forums as well as paknews forum where the F-22 was reportedly being tested over the Karakorum ranges! 😀
And have’nt we all heard of the Typhoon, Rafale, Gripen, F-16-block-60 and what not, the PAF is getting, not to mention Tomahawk missiles and F-7s which supposedly “escaped” live sparrow firings? 😀
Such a nice picture but not even one of you knows anything about the author???? Idiots…..:mad: 😡 😡 😡
I doubt India’s just going to sit around till 2020 without attacking Pakistan and if that happens, scratch one country. Something may happen on the China-Taiwan front too.
2020 is simply too far away to judge the state of anything. 2006-2010 seems better. You can turn this thread into something like “World airforce upgrade/expansion plans” instead “Best in xxxx”
Someone just answer the question on who rendered that piece of art of the Su-30 and F-16? It’s very good.
PS h177, you really are a village idiot.
just for fun… The finger in Top Gun…
Whose piece of work is this?
I don’t find the Rafale being more expensive than the Typhoon, to be absurd at all. I can’t see any area where the Typhoon is better or even equal.
We know that the supersonic Mig-21 was never intended for the AJT role so unless this one has better handling, FBW, variable thrust ratings, level settings etc, I think that it’s a pretty bad idea. The korean goldeneagle is also a supersonic but has all this.
Guizahou’s and Chengudu’s construction quality don’t seem to match Shenyang’s.
I doubt any other aircraft would be “less blind” to other targets in the air because when you go to single target track, you’ll always lose everything else. If you don’t want to, you can’t expect to keep the radar dedicated to that one target and either way, the situational awareness of other targets is going to be very less. At the most, you’ll get a very rough idea of what else is out there. To overcome this, the Mig-29 has a switch that displays the target environment as seen by the GCI controller while under single target track.
If the russians imagined a true multirole fighter for a requirement (which they did’nt even have at the time), the Mig-29 could have come out with specs of the Mig-29M itself.
The biggest reason for the Mig-29 falling to western fighters is obvious – COMPROMISED AVIONICS AND SYSTEMS
F-18Hamburger, could you please remove that pic of yourself from your sig? It makes me rather ill!
Look ma…an F/A-18…

That answers the question of F/A-18C vs MiG-29SMT. 😀
Well the datalink feature was/is of very limited use in the early modells.
The fact that luftwaffe pilots really missed the lazur on their Mig-29s, tells otherwise.
I thought we were discussin the A modell, and being the export variant does not mean they carry less fuel. And the engines were derated yes. Well somehow an engine barely achieving 300 hours before overhaul was not quite efficent to operate in 1991. 9
I think we all know that the early RD-33s were crap. That’s a given. However, I can now see why luftwaffe pilots complained about range because of the increased fuel consumption on their 10% derated engines.
The range of 1500 km is most probably for the standard configuration of 6 AAMs including 2 R-27. The F/A-18 is probably better in range because of better engines and a higher fuel load internally. Aerodynamically however, the Fulcrum offering lesser drag could help balance the equation. In the end, how much % advantage(if at all any) would an F/A-18 or F-16 have in range over the fulcrum, assuming that all three are flying clean?
All in all, can we comfortably conclude that statements like “Mig-29 too shortlegged” are nothing but empty ones in the context of fighters like the F-16 and F/A-18 ? It must also be noted that the luftwaffe did’nt have IFR and underwing drop tank features that their F-16 counterparts could take for granted. Another reason for increased frequency of complaints?
The fulcrum can also fly on one engine, or with one at higher thrust than that other, although those are going to add complications.
Someone disagrees with you and you make fun of their name and their height. Perhaps even their colour too. Are all the people who disagree with you black?
Ignore the guy garry. Other than shooting off his hamburgers from his back orifice, he is’nt good at anything else. And I’m neither indian nor pakistani. Just how the hell did that come up? Our druggy idiot h177 could tell too? 😀