I agree! Its very sickening to see Indians invading every single Pakistan Airforce related thread and giving bad ratings to Pakistan Airforce threads. Its obvious that Indians are jealous
of the Pakistan Airforce who has always shown an excellent record of professionalism/dedication and galantry much in the same way the Israeli AF has fought off desperate Arab airforces for the past half century.

I thought that this thread was on the Russian perspective of the Afghan war and not a thread for pakistani fantasizing and dreaming?

Leave it to the ill informed, insecure nationalist pak crowd to turn everything into a flamefest. It’s like fungus on wood. First india will be brought in, pakistan’s unbacked up claims bordering ridiculous BS will be generated, then a bragging session followed by how many F-22s the PAF should buy will come up? 😀

We should discuss PAF topics without pakistanis.

I would also like to add that as a western well-wisher to Pakistan, Pakistan has always taken actions post september 11th
in a very cordial and dignified manner, I am a firm supporter of Pakistan on the Kashmir issue just like I support Israel on the Palestinian issue

Ha ha ha ha ha haa. These pak impostors can’t even do a good job. Have a tall glass of STFU on me.

I dont want to start a flame war but forgive me for saying
the Russians were the Biggest arms suppliers to Iraq, i guess the
T-72/64/54, the AK-47/RPG’s/Landmines/Hinds/fokkers/foxbats were supplied by the USA and France, please dont put your guilty conscience on the USA and France.

Afterall it was the United States that removed Saddam Insane from power, a figure your nation was more than happy to equip during the Iran-Iraq war and then re-equip them in time for the Gulf war.

The French were against the war because they had very lucrative oil deals with Iraq, However the French will no longer theive from Iraq at the expense of the Iraqi people, the United States will do for Iraq what it did for Germany/Britian/France after world war 11
(Marshall Programme), and for south Korea after the korean war.

lets compare American helped South Korea/Germany/France with Russian helped North Korea/Iraq/Syria.

Need I go on ?

Oh great……..

Originally posted by Bahnhaus
Either way the Pakistan airforce has chewed up everyone it has fought. Its a good achievement for a smaller country with less money then its rival India.

Uh oh, not again! 😀

If you read the earlier posts, you’d notice that the soviet RoEs made it a turkey shoot although I’d love to be in a situation like that. What claims can you throw if the only actual round fired against you was from your own side? Even the DRAAF does’nt seem to have actually engaged any PAF aircraft.

Originally posted by phrozenflame
What if India invests all the money into LCA it would set aside for M2ks??? I mean on production lines etc…They could be built in 3-4 years time? and then you have some really good Mass Production,

but the bottom line remains, Mig-21s *will* have to fly for 3-4 years more.

Thats the most serious concern of IAF, I dont think so they’ll be willing to ground all of these planes, whatever they order will take the same amount of time till LCA comes anyway…

how much will it cost to buy 125 M2ks??

Assuming the costs are around 60 million, (some sources say its higher, some says its lower…)

We’re talking about 7-8 BILLION dollars of ORDERS!

Can India afford these? Dont forget the logistics, weapons, training and other initial costs…it could go upto 10 billion dollars.

Say if its done…where will the LCA be standing in the whole picture???

I don’t think funding is india’s problem anymore and their defence budget is going upwards. I heard that there was actually some unspent excess last year!

Yes, that’s what I’m talking about too. Where’s the wreckage footage? I’m aware of the tail of an Su-25 but where are the rest?

I don’t know how many the soviets claimed at all.

Hi Ali,

The score 10-0 may not be correct depending on the way you look at it. The PAF lost one F-16 to fratricide when a wingman shot his leader. I’ve seen some mentions that this F-16 was also claimed by a russian R-23 or ran into ordnance being dropped by strike aircraft but these are unlikely. Russia was also supposed to made some more “claims”

FC-1 is going to replace pretty much everything in the PAF excluding the F-16s perhaps. It fits the PAF’s defensive doctrine and does’nt need to be attack oriented. While an A-5 is’nt likely to come back from a strategic strike mission, it should be useful in strafing battlefield targets.

Er….the IAF lost two fighters and a chopper as well though!

Versus hundreds of MANPADS launched over thousands of sorties.

we’ve seen anti-PAF posts like this before.

Tigershark is an indonesian poster from CMF, I believe. 🙂

PS Hayley, I cut and paste your posts into babelfish but they still don’t translate to english.

Thanks ELP. There was a similar discussion on ACIG where Kurt Plummer was talking about the -104 and provided some links to disprove myths about it. Could you please provide the link for us to that bit?