RokosowskyLook at former NSWP counties industrial base. It was destroyed during integration with EU. The West does not want to have any competition but only cheap labor force and markets. I don’t think there will be otherwise in Serbia’s case.
As I know majority of NATO bombs and missiles fell on Serbian industry infrastructure including military plants because hunting Serbian Army in Kosovo was not too effective.
RokosowskyIt is interesting so many Serbian military plants survived NATO bombing campaign or entire above blabbing is fake. Anyway during Serbia’s integration with EU remaining Serbian military complex will fall thanks to “restructuring process” headed by Soros & Sachs (by the way they were expelled from Serbia by Slobo in 1990s so in effect Slobo was transported to Hague a while later) which eventually completes unfinished NATO effort! 🙂
RokosowskyPAK-FA will be delayed until 2025! Trust me… 🙂
RokosowskyRussians always have careless attitude in the begining of a campaign and take loss, but after that, they are like sledgehammer …..just like we Indians. 😎 Unless we get some hits here and there, we don’t get heated up. 😀 …..probably the deep rooted Historical links are the culprit 😀
No matter what the year of make the Russian PGMs are, they alwas have used “larger PGMs” and will be using it in the future in areas which are a “bit tight” to get in. They used it during the Gerogian offensive also. So no need to get the planes into missile ranges. But let the modernisation complete and we’ll be seeing much more than whats its today.
just in case anyone wanted some info regarding Russia’s “large PGM” …can have a look below…and mind it these are Russian version not the exported version E.
Oh, really? What kind of “larger PGMs” do Russians have today? Let’s have a look:
– SS-1 “Elbrus” – about 2 km CEP, probably withdrawn from service
– SS-21 “Tochka” – about 150 m CEP, waiting for disposal
– SS-26 “Iskander” – about 100 m CEP, still not in operational service
How do you think – how many new SRBMs will Russian Army be able to field in the future? I think ten to twenty launchers because they are assembled in the same factory where Topol-M is produced. Can you remember how many such launchers once USSR had? I help you – about two thousands (FROG-7, SS-1, SS-12, SS-21, SS-23). And the last thing: SRBMs are the worst PGM carriers even introduced: entire payload Iraq fired on Israel in 1991 using its Scuds was one tactical fighter ordnance equivalent! :diablo:
Go to school and learn something about current Russian abysmal military reality. Avoid Russian schools where Pogo teaches about stealth! 😉
RokosowskyOnce Pogo claimed F-22 has RCS equals…0.3 sqm! That is great example of real level of stealth theory understanding in Russia. So I do not understand wha you are talking about? Officially PAK-FA is almost F-22 equivalent because onlu 0.2 sqm RCS difference remains… 🙂
RokosowskyIndia is smart enough to choose better option: mythical PAK-FA or real F-35. You shall see how ridiculous end will have this story!
RokosowskyWhat are you smoking ? Has that nation EVER done ANY technology transfer? Never mind they learnt how to build Jet engines after WW2 from UK.
Have you not seen the ruckus about EVEN the source-codes in F35 threads? forget other technologies developed with partner’s money. If that is the case with “time-tested” friends and “Level-1” partners then what to talk about technology access available to other customers.
Everyone knows the incentives Europeans have in throwing spanner on the partnership for Pak-Fa and eventually seal the fate of Pak-Fa. Watch this thread regularly for en-masse, co-ordinated trolling by otherwise esteemed members.
It seems you have already smoked too much. Learn something about L-M guys trip to India early this month… 🙂
RokosowskyThere are several possible high itensity conflicts on the table:
– China – Taiwan (with possible US involvement)
– India – Pakistan
– India – China
– US/Israel – Iran
– ROK – DPRK
– Russia – EU (idea mentioned by some folks here)
RokosowskyThe most probable course of acition is India will pull out of failed PAK-FA program in a few years because US will sell them F-35 along with technology transfer. Then Russians will have to build PAK-FA alone what is very risky option. In the end PAK-FA will finish like MiG-MFI.
RokosowskyPak-FA will allow the VVS to operate over Ukraine with impuny despite Ukraine’s IADS.
Ukrainian S-300P/W systems could detect plane possessing PAK-FA radar signature quite easily. They were designed to deal with first generation ALCMs and MRBMs which have similar frontal RCS. Of course PAK-FA radar signature is much larger from side and rear aspects.
The VVS precision munition capability has improved dramatically and they can easily neutralize C4I targets once they penetrate the IADS.
Second Mega-ROTFL! 😀
All could see Russian SEAD and PGM capabilities last years over Georgia! Simply they are non-existent. Bunch of not working post-Soviet trash and that is all. You seem to know nothing about present Russian aerial armament and its capabilities so I help you a bit. Currently Russian aerial PGM types in inventory are as follows according to Russian military publications: Kh-28 and Kh-58 thirty-forty years old ARMs, KAB-500L and KAB-1500L thirty years old LGBs, Kh-25L and Kh-29L laser guided tactical missiles from 1970s and maybe KAB-500KR TV-guided bombs from 1980s. Yes they do not have even Kh-31P ARMs (they were produced solely for export) and KAB-500S-E GPS bombs. I short, using these weapons on the XXI century battlefield is very risky because it forces Russian planes to close to target at 10 km distance and overfly it at maximum 5 km altitude of course only in good weather conditions. In other words Russian planes are in range of every missile air defense system, even MANPADS.
Here you are how Russian PGM capability “has improved dramatically”, buddy! :diablo:
RokosowskyWrong! F-22 & F-35 will be perfectly safe along with aerial tankers on European airfields protected by mentioned above European assets and also abroad CVNs. Russians will have no IRBMs only Iskander SRBMs and no Navy in comparison to NATO fleet. Besides you forgot about Western cruise missiles including stealth ones which will be able to demolish Russian interior with impunity paving the way for airstrikes.
Rokosowskythe short ranges of F-22 and F-35 only allow them to pick at the edges of Russian territory but really don’t change that balance).
Pak-FA provides long-range offensive capability that can operate over the center of Europe. It changes the balance.
Mega-ROTFL! 😀
– Both F-22 and F-35 have very adequate ranges to smash targets deep inside Russian territory thanks to large fleet of aerial tankers and USAF aviation bases in Europe in Asia together with vast fleet of CVNs and LHA/LHDs – especially if Russian IADS will be full of holes and number of fighters is and will be deplorable.
– in ten to fifteen years small number (a hundred units or so) of PAK-FAs will pose no threat to European NATO countries defended by 600 Typhoons, 300 Rafales and 600 F-35s equals 1500 modern fighters plus advanced IADS based on MEADS and PAC-3 systems and many AWACS aircrafts!
RokosowskyThere is absolutely no need for Europe do develop so called 5th generation fighter. Both Typhoon and Rafale will be more than enough to deal with PAK-FA!
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The truth is simple – US spent about 150 billion dollars for ATF and JSF projects combined. Official Russo-Indian sources mentioned 8-10 billion dollars overall funds allocated to PAK-FA project. I think answer is simple – Russia and India cannot design and develop many crucial elements of stealth fighter such as radar absorbing materials, advanced avionics, engines and so on due to finantial and technical reasons. Sukhoi chef designer stated today that PAK-FA project will take even ten years to complete because there is no funds and technology available to continue developing of mentioned systems. That is why PAK-FA tactical and technical characteristics will be severely cut-down. In effect if this plane ever become reality it will be much worse than American stealth fighters and even modernized European planes. Hindu data indicate this is fully accepted because the same sources gave PAK-FA expected RCS value equals to 0.5 m^2 which is comparable with twenty two years old Gripen achievement and much worse than Rafale (0.1 m^2 ) or Typhoon’s (0.05 m^2) RCS not mention about F-22/F-35 level (0.001-0.0001 m^2). This is simply ridiculous to call PAK-FA flying mock-up equal to proven and mass produced Western designs. I suppose in 2020 PAK-FA will be able to compete with Chinese “stealth” fighter called J-XX project now. This is aviation league where Russia, India and China can play right now and for foreseeable future. However they should prepare themselves for Western stealth UCAVs then.
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RokosowskyHi, guys!
I do not understand many above opinions! In fact all Russian fighter aviation is now in state of complete downfall. It is not surprising because Russians have not been modernizing or acquiring new fighters for 15 years. AFAIR in 1992 Russia has about 2000 fighters of MiG-23, MiG-29, Su-27 and MiG-31 types. Now all MiG-23s were retired, number of flyable MiG-31 decreased to 130 jets, less than 100 MiG-29 can fly and only 30 Su-27SM was moderately modernized. In sum Russia possess about 300 air-worthy fighters all of them outdated under NATO standards. Such number is simply ridiculous for 17.5 billion square kilometers wast country! Moreover number of pilot’s flying hours in RuAF is inadequate to wage any aerial combat or flights in adverse weather conditions. During Georgian War only aged flight-instructors manned Russian jests. No new weapon types are introduced and old ones disappear form arsenal due to age.
Now economic crisis caused major reductions in Russian military budget. Thus situation won’t improve. I suppose in the next decade all post-Soviet fighter types will be withdrawn from service and Russia will remain with several dozens new-old junks like Su-27SM, MiG-29SMT. I am also not optimistic if PAK-FA project will ever materialize…
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