I would point out that John gave no source for the 8 missiles figure he quoted. I’ve else seen 10 and 14 quoted in previous debates on this issue, so there is no reason to suspect his figure is any more correct! We should have enough missiles left to fill 2 subs completely, and probably a 3rd, not that deployment rotation would permit unless one was armed in dock. On warheads, the stockpile has gone down, but production capacity has gone up.
“Therefore the number of warheads on board each submarine would be reduced from a maximum of 48 to a maximum of 40, the number of operational missiles on the Vanguard Class submarines would be reduced to no more than eight, and the number of operational warheads reduced from fewer than 160 to no more than 120.”
Source here
Hmmm INS Koswari looks like handsome vessel, anybody know her weapon and system fit?
– 1 x CRN-91 30mm
– Igla SA-18 SAM (MANPAD ?)
– 2 x 12.7mm HMGs
– ASW capability
Sensors:
– Furuno navigation radar
– Sonar ?
Great Pics !!!
Thanks 🙂
Ships comparaisons:
HMS Queen Elizabteh // Juan Carlos I
Cost (without airwing…): 3+ £ billion per ship // +/- 500 ? £ million per ship
http://www.debtbombshell.com/
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But who would sell them to us? Second hand AV-8B+ are not exactly in large supply, nobody that has them wants to sell them.
I agree for Spain and Italy (and for Thailand :D)
But Americans (US Marines Corps) use more than 130+ AV-8B Harriers, they might as well sell it to British 12 to 24 aircraft (without serious problems).
Sea Gripen would probably need a carrier with a decent sized flight deck, larger than what is proposed here.
I agree
The Sea-Grippen was not the solution for a “small” flatop (under 35 000 tons and under 240 meters). In a near future (2030+…), medium UAV was expected to be more effective…
But you can’t use a Juan Carols I as an aircraft carrier and an amphib, it’s swing role not multi role, to do both is would need to be bigger.
Same for a pure carrier…:dev2:
And an aircraft carrier can not be amphibious (lacking well deck aft…)
A British CVF 60 000 tons carrier can take :
– up to 32 F-35 + 4/6 helico (AEW/SAR/ASW) (in a pure “carrier” mission)
– Likely up to 40 helico (in a pure “helico-carrier” mission)
A Juan Carlos 27 000+ tons can carry :
– Up to 10/12 Harrier + 10/12 helico (in a “mixed” mode)
– Up to 30 helico (in a pure “helico-carrier” mission)
In terms of ability to carry a lot of helico/STVOL aircrafts, the difference is not really great…
But the cost of “purchase” and “operationnal cost” is totally different:dev2:
For the British finances (£), a LHD was much more radically cheap, versatile & flexible than a larger 60 000 carrier…
(2 large LHD were sufficient for future UK need)
Ships comparaisons:
HMS Queen Elizabteh // Juan Carlos I
Ships Crew: 600 (ship crew) + up to 800 (airwings) // 243 (ship crew) + 172 (airwings)
Additionnal Crew: hundred of additionnal troops possible (carrier used as a LPH) // Up to 900 troops
Speed (max): 25+ knots // 21 knots
Airwings: Up to 40 aircrafts/helico // Up to 30 helico (or +/- 10 aircrafts & +/- 12 helico)
Cost (without airwing…): 3+ £ billion per ship // +/- 500 ? £ million per ship
Ideally Think
– 2 ships
– LHD
– 220-235+ meters
– 26 000-33 000 tons
– Hightly automatised (220-400 “core crew” + up to 1100 troops embarked)
– Extremely versatile ships (amphibious, helico-carrier, command & control, replenishment ship, hospital capabilities)
– Up to 2 dozens of helico + few UAV
– Forget traditional shaft and think 2 pods
– all electrics props
– well deck aft for up to 2 or 3 advanced/fast landing crafts
– vast interior hangars for helico, tanks, armored vehicles and others stuffs
– only defensive weapons (chaff launchers, decoy, RAM missiles, Phalanx CIWS)
Forget the F-35:dev2:
For FRANCE
1 AIRCRAFTS-CARRIER (CATOBAR)
Charles-de-Gaulle (R91), 42 000 tons:
Ordered 03 february 1986, First steel-cut by 24 november 1987, laid-down 14 april 1989, First “technical launching” by 19 december 1992, “officially” launched by 07 mai 1994, commissioned 18 may 2001.
3 AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT CARRIERS (LHD)
Mistral (L9013) and Tonnerre (L9014), up to 21 000 tons
(Both ships progressively ordered by 08 december 2000-13 july 2001)
Mistral (L9013):
(First cut-steel of the aft part by 09 july 2002, first cut-steel of the forward part 28 january 2003, both section assembled, ship launched 06 october 2004, commissioned 15 december 2006)
Tonnerre (L9014):
(Aft keel laid-down 13 december 2002, forward keel laid-down 26 august 2003, both section assembled, launched 26 july 2005, commissioned 01 august 2007
Dixmude (L9015), up to 21 000 tons:
Ordered by early 2009, First steel-cut by 18 april 2009, keel laid-down by 21 january 2010, launched 18 december 2010, currently under trials/final completion stage, to be commissioned by early 2012
“Agressive” Air-Strikes by the French Air Force….
In the last 24 hours, the French Air Force bombed (on ground) at least 5 “Galeb” Fighters and 2 MI-35 helico in airfields around Zintan/Misrata
Source (in French) here
Won’t save much downsizing the carrier, this much has been admitted. There is money to save by cutting fancy radar and missile systems, but this has already been saved!
+ passive protection….
armor protection already “nearly sacrified” (or seriously down-sized) in this 65 000 tons carrier :rolleyes:
Rocket pods 🙁
Theses pods are full of rockets
These 2 planes were not fired on civilians…
Indeed that is why these two planes are in Malta, pilots have refused to obey orders
But it seems that few other, more loyal to Khadafi, had fired at civilians
I have been hearing some unconfirmed reports of fighter jets bombing civilians in Libya. My first thought that these Mirages that landed in Malta were disobeying orders to fire on civilians.
Confirmed
And these Mirages carry rockets pods.
A lot of pictures at Malta
http://www.daylife.com/search/photos/1/grid?q=malta+airport+libyan