You should consider that they are about the same size as the M-frigates of the Doorman class. And well equipped for an OPV (check out that Thales i-mast). These are navy operated, not coast guard.

Yes I know
(and I know “Shipsbucket community” ;))

Yes they were built in 92-93 but they are a sub class using a mess of different obsolete foreign systems. The 50s-60’s vintage ships are less complicated and easier to source spares for. As I said I maybe wrong but rather then use the rolleyes button why don’t you actually do some research before you come back with glib comments…

Not glib comments
Simply strange facts, only
and the older type 051 Luda (clearly TOTALLY obsolete since more than nearly two decade ! although modernised), the Chinese are gradually replacing them by 054 ?

*typical internet forum loudmouth with very little real knowledge of the equipment & program he is blathering about. I guess in your version of “reality” all the USN evaluation team have been bought off with suitable bribes by the contractors, eh?

You know as well as I that in the case of very expensive programs, the product itself accounts for only part of choice. A big part of the selection is made through lobbying, pressures, politics, ect ……………

How do you justify a cost rise from 220 to 650 million $ eh ? :rolleyes:

This ship is fast, ok, this ship is modular, ok, I agree
But serious doubts arise regarding its viability in battle if it is hit

This ship is a Porsche, not a MRAP ! The military needs a MRAP, no porsche (but this is only my opinion …. now you have yours….)

But when the US Navy can not afford high-end vessels (CGX cancelled, ect…) …… you must not cry after this…:rolleyes:

end of exchange for me
regard

The ship couldn’t survive even a single exocet strike, so I have doubts about their military viability.

Completely false….

During the latest modern “missile age” naval war, the civilian ships
have shown their capacity to take hits

Remember:
– british atlantic conveyor, hit by exocet, set afire and sink
– Various tanker hits during the iran-iraq war (well know “tanker war”) (some were hits by bombs or exocet or others missiles but survived in spite of severe fire )

Of course, Mistral LHD can be sink (same as every ships), but this big size (& even more this great “internal volume” allow him to whitstand damage before sinking)

I doubt that a single missile can be sank her (much probably set afire, this depend of “state-readyness” of damage control teams)

And know that the civil standard of fire protection are sometimes equally rigourous than military standards !

on second thought, that could be a poll: find a “british” name for the rafale in RN service (so forget about bad jokes 😀 )

Translation
RAFALE = violent and sudden gust of wind…or strong & short gale

If british cancel the F-35B order & buy instead a conventionnal aircraft, the differents options is clear:

– Navalised Typhoon: nearly impossible, this modification imply to heavily modify the aircraft…& increase dramatically the cost

– Navalised RAFALE: technicaly yes, but the hate that the English have for French (and their policy “all for the US”) will prevent the deal with the French, except if…

– F/A 18 super hornet: very possible

– Navalised Grippen: Hmmm, I doubt, I doubt that for a conventionnal aircraft, the single reactor is a requirement for the british

– Russian Mig 29 ou SU Family…..impossible

Broadband, all aspect stealth
Conformal antennas positioned all over skin in addition to radar for passive detection and ECM
Full active/passive optics suite- LIDAR, DIRCM, multi-spectral imaging
Fluidic thrust vectoring
Variable cycle engines allowing Mach 2+ supercruise
Optical datalinks for very high speed, stealthy net-centric warfare
Ability to act as multistatic radar system via datalink with other aircraft
Ability to fly unmanned as well as manned
Ability to coordinate, act as “controller” or “manager” of UAV’s/UCAV’s
Optical Spectrum stealth of some kind
Directed Energy Weapons?

I agree…

Ok, now after the first flight of the new stealth aircraft PAK FA T-50
A question rise….

This aircarft is “Aircraft carrier capable” ????
:rolleyes:

Sea Grippen