Private Flypast This Afternoon
Well, it felt like it…
XH558 flew over Banbury, North Oxon at about 14.15 BST heading north, if its of interest.
Saw her at the XM655 day – shame about the fast taxi but you can’t have everything.
Enjoy the Waddington show!
related to this topic, any news on the He 219 and the smithsonian? apparently the wings are being restored to go with the fuselage. americans are lucky ******s in that they seem to have a fair few unique german aircraft arado 234, do335 Ta152 (as discussed)
(courtesy of wikipedia)
quite a beautiful aircraft in her own way
They do have a good number of unique German aircraft… and many were ‘gifted’ to them by the British as duplicates or not that interesting.
iirc the Ta152 is c/n1500003 Red ‘4’ which was at the RAE in 1945 before becoming FE-112. ‘Our’ Ta152, c/n 150168 AM11, was scrapped.
As for He219’s, there were at least five operated by the RAF – not sure if the Smithsonian one was one.
So… -ve we didn’t keep them. +ve they probably wouldn’t have survived if we did. And the Smithsonian do a very good job of the restoration.
Well, I brought (actually was coshed into buying by a rather pushy lady – saw her at RIAT and ran!) a raffle ticket for something or other at last year’s XM655 run, so I should be on the flight deck for the first flight…
Then again, I’d rather they took there time and didn’t try to fly this year if there’s any doubt – far too many historic aircraft are being lost in tragic circumstances.
Yes they’ve disappeared into Finnair
Can’t believe no-one groaned
Bit off-topic, but RAF Tristair departed Birmingham UK (BHX) last night as I was being taxied to the gate. Presume they’re not doing anything hush-hush?
Quota’d Out
Well, I had an idea that I’d finally post the last few piccies to finish this thread. Seems that whilst I’ve been away the servers have had to have limits on attachments. Are these stretchable…?
Value in Service?
Since we now have the benefit of perfect hindsight, and given that TSR2 would have entered service sometime in the early seventies (I suppose), what value would the aircraft been in the conflicts that the RAF did actually participate in her expected service life? I’m excluding ‘what-ifs’ like a actual conflict with Soviet block and also any deterant value.
I suppose that means Falklands and Gulf (just the first, or second / current as well?)?
Damn site better than a DC10; fewer loose engines / cargo doors etc.
94 Airspeed AS57 Ambassador G-ALZN “Elizabethan”
Another blurry one
Caption “Ambassador LZN Hurn 11th October 1952”.
Potted history from Air Britain Spring 2003. c/n 5212, flew first commercial ‘Elizabethan’ flight with BEA (and was flagship), but returned to Airspeed until April 1953 for trials.
Involved in a mid-air collision with Air France DC-4 F-BBDP at 7000 feet over Paris. Although a large part of G-ALZN’s wing tip was lost, Capt Gilman landed the aircraft safely. He, the Air France pilot and the responsible ATC had a post-flight discussion of some vigour, by Gilman’s account.
iirc, this was also the aircraft that suffered locked elevators in flight due to ice on the control cables. The ice was formed from condensation of water vapour vented from the pressure cabin.
Never very lucky, it suffered collapsed undercarriage at Le Bourget in 1955, and dispensed with its front wheel somewhere over Rome in 1958.
Passed to Dan-Air in the 1960’s and used for ‘slush on runway’ trials to investigate the true cause of the Munich Air Disaster. Served until 1967 then broken up at Lasham. The colour photo is from somewhere on the net.
As flagship, G-ALZN featured in some of BEA’s best PR photos, post cards etc.
Next few are better quality…
93 Douglas B26 Invader
Another pretty rotten shot, but at least an unusual type.
Caption “B26 Invader 435857 Hurn 3rd September 1952”.
No match to USAAF serial found. Most 1943 A26 Invaders had serials in the range 43-22252 to 22751; most likely match from http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/usafserials.html is:
Douglas A-26C-50-DT Invader 44-35857 (c/n 29136), to civil registry as N9300R, to Airspray (67) of Canada as C-FCTZ [CF-CTZ] Oct 9, 1979, Air Spray #13. No longer on Canadian register, although Airspray did operate Invaders until at least 2004. Pictures and detailed history to 2002 at http://www.warbirdregistry.org/a26registry/a26-4435857.html. Any idea what happen to her subsequently?
Conceivable is Douglas A-26C-30-DT Invader is 44-35357 (B-26C) loaned to France Mar 1952 for service in Indochina. Crashed on landing at Haiphong Apr 10, 1954. Just possible that this is the aircraft on its ferry flight, although the dates aren’t a great match.
Was it normal for B26’s to be so black and so devoid of markings (as far as this photo allows?)
92 DH82A Tiger Moth G-ADWO
Seems to have been a year, so in an effort to finish this dusty thread, here’s the next in sequence:
92 DH82A Tiger Moth G-ADWO
Caption “Tiger Moth DWO Christchurch 6th September 1952”; first spotted 24th August 1952.
G-INFO gives it c/n 3455. Listed (http://daveg4otu.tripod.com/airfields/xchres.html) as belonging to Christchurch Aero Club 1951-1958, and in http://www.dehavilland.ukf.net/Amend%2022Oct03.rtf as served BB807 before returning to the civil register; crashed Whitchurch 31-Jul-58 rebuilt as G-ADXT with parts from c/n 3436 (G-ADXT, BB860, G-ADXT). Both originally built in 1935
http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Preserved/TigerMoth.html lists it as still airworthy as G-ADXT. (G-INFO as has this information, together with a nice piccy http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-ADXT&imgname=G-ADXT001&imgtype=jpg)
On 22nd June 2001 (http://www.aaib.gov.uk/sites/aaib/cms_resources/dft_avsafety_pdf_500228.pdf) the aircraft was suffered extensive fuselage damage in a forced landing following engine failure. Pilot and trainee not injured.
Anyone know if the aircraft is flying again?
Thanks once again for all the kind comments,
Jogger321, totally agree with you on this one, cotton wool wrapped future beckons, now where did I put my jigsaw. :rolleyes:
Lastly here’s a shot of XA903.
Septic.
That must be quite a lens – was that you with near the Air Atlantique departure lounge with something akin to a dustbin on a stick?
‘Twas the AAC Historic Aircraft. After the Piper Cub did a short take-off demo on the cross runway, the Beaver did simulated up-and-over trees take-off.
Apparently, H&S now forbids us mortals from being let loose on the tarmac. Real shame – my 5 year old was seriously disappointed (she still rembers using the Vulcan as an umbrella two years ago!). Cost me an ice cream :rolleyes:
MaPS members can visit on Saturdays, of course.
My photos aren’t in the same league as Septic’s, but here’s some of the cars at the end (sorry about cropping the jag) and a couple of shots of 1046 (Fordhouses) Squadron ATC’s Tiger Cub 440.
The embossing on the cowling reads “Ken Hom”. Go figure 😀
Looks like Vienna.
Some modern-day pics of the horse statue and Art Museum here: http://home.uchicago.edu/~wduan/vienna_tour1.htm
The Ambassdaor G-37-3 was also G-ARKD “Golden Lion”, the second Ambassador prototype was used for various purposes after about 1951. It flew with Bristol Proteus 705’s in the early 50’s and Rolls Royce Tynes then Darts in 1958 to about 1966. Scrapped October 1969. Info from Air Britain Winter 2002 (Jack Meaden).
Couple of pictures on David Webster’s website http://www.planecrazyheritage.com
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/crazyheritage/1958/FarnboroNEGS/Jpegs/Fnb026.htm & http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/crazyheritage/1958/FarnboroNEGS/Jpegs/Fnb030.htm
G-ALFR was used for Napier Eland trials in 1955-ish
In one of these turbo-prop forms, the Ambassador was grossly over-powered. Capt Ron Gillman mentions having to climb at very high angles to avoid overspeeding after take-off; 4000ft/min! His book “Croydon to Concorde” is a jolly good read; anyone know if Capt Gillman is still with us?
G-ALFR was, briefly, grossly under-powered when it shed both (piston) engines during a heavy landing in early (CoG) trials. The aircraft apparently bounced back-up and flew over its engines before being safely brought back by the late Ron Clear.
I don’t believe that the AS57 was ever pure jet (Nene) powered, although its an interesting idea…