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April 20, 2004 at 12:26 pm in reply to: Pics from 1952 – where to post? #1607986

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The other thing that caught my eye are the two aircraft in the background right (and perhaps one left of the Viscount’s port main gear).

Of the two on the right, the left most is probably an Avro York from the high wing and three fins. What’s the other one? Its four engined, low winged, single finned and has a tail wheel. My immeadiate reaction was Fw200… which seems pretty improbable. Could it be an Avro Tudor?

Here’s about the best blow up / ‘enhance’ I can manage:

April 20, 2004 at 12:21 pm in reply to: Pics from 1952 – where to post? #1608023

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Here’s the next pic from the album. Its captioned “Viscount MAV”. I presume from the printer’s mark on the photo, the location (presumably Hurn) the weather etc that it is taken on the same day as “Ambassador LZN”.

There is quite a lot of blur evident, the neg was dirty when the print was made and frankly the print is a bit battered. Never-the-less… it has been cropped, unsharp masked and resized only.

My first reaction looking at the original print was that my Dad had got the registration number wrong since it reads “-AWAV” to me. A quick search though shows that G-AWAV was a Cessna 150. Shame the pic is so blurry but it does look like the wrong code was applied.

G-AMAV was the third prototype Viscount a V.700 (c/n 739099, later changed to 3). It took part in the London – Christchurch race of 1954 (not very challanging… oh, that Christchurch) coming second in class. http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/Air%20race%201953%20Viscount%20EN.htm

The prototype status may explain the ‘big stick’ apparently sticking out of the cockpit roof…

April 20, 2004 at 12:00 pm in reply to: Vampire (?) In Ferndown, Dorset c.1973 #1608034

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… and my wife’s uncle Tom (really) is a chef in the canteen at LATCC now!

Dad has long since retired from ‘B’ watch, however.

April 20, 2004 at 11:07 am in reply to: Vampire (?) In Ferndown, Dorset c.1973 #1608102

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So you were one of the big ‘orrible kids…

I went there when I was nine from Parley Cross and left for London in the November (my Dad moved from Hurn to LATCC).

April 20, 2004 at 9:37 am in reply to: Vampire (?) In Ferndown, Dorset c.1973 #1608184

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Hi Spey,

Small world! What year were you in in 73?

Glad to here that XH318 may still exist. I wonder if it is private private or if its accessible at times?

Cheers

April 19, 2004 at 4:28 pm in reply to: Vampire (?) In Ferndown, Dorset c.1973 #1609456

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Well impressed! Thanks Gents.

How sad it didn’t survive.

April 19, 2004 at 3:23 pm in reply to: Pics from 1952 – where to post? #1609495

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Came across this whilst trawling through Google for Ambassador info (http://www.auctiontransportation.com/item.cgi?show_item=50514).

Its of G-ALZO supposedly in 1972 and now at Duxford.

A nicer pic is at http://www.danair.webcentral.com.au/photoambass.html

Some nice pics of Swiss (Globe Air) Ambassadors and others at http://www.worldairnews.ch/EAPHomecarrier/HomeCr_GlobeAir.htm (German text)

I’ve also seen reports of Ambassdaors operating with the Jordanian and Morocan Airforces in the 1960’s – ex BEA aircraft?

April 19, 2004 at 2:40 pm in reply to: South Coast airways Dak #1609624

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Company administrators have a duty to maximise the return to creditors. Prima face, they ought to be maintaining the condition of a major asset if it is cost effective to do so.

What’s an airworth DC-3 worth? What’s the scrap/parts value? What’s the cost of maintaining in either condition? Where does that money come from…and when.

Sad if, as does happen, the administrator determines that scrap value is the quickest way to return some money to the creditors.

April 19, 2004 at 1:46 pm in reply to: Stunning Aerial Combat Photos #1609872

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Its certainly worth reflecting on the loss of young lives – many of the planes here were designed to kill or destroy. Inspite of that…

Are they all authentic? The Havoc and the Marauder both seem ‘wrong’. What’s burning in the Havoc fuselage for example?

I recall reading that some of the crew of nose-less B17 survived.

April 19, 2004 at 1:18 pm in reply to: The 'What The Heck' File #1609982

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Originally posted by Dave Homewood
Great stuff guys. Here are some more unusual photos, some of these I do know what they are, but any comments are welcome.

Big US jet – Convair YB60. YB52 competitor

Flying boat – Martin Mariner

Gliders – Gotha (DFS) 242’s.I’ve not seen this shot before but the towing aircraft must be large and taking into account the fin in the picture I would guess this is taken from the port gun dorsal position of an He111Z

Twin engine german aircraft is a Focke Wulf Fw191 prototype (advanced medium bomber)

April 19, 2004 at 1:05 pm in reply to: The 'What The Heck' File #1610079

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ATC PAL pipped me! Still, at least we agree.

The small protruberance just ahead of the fin is a flairing for a camera used to film airflow in flight (some pics show the aircraft with lots of fabric strips stuck on)

I found the attached at http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/ju287.html

April 19, 2004 at 12:57 pm in reply to: The 'What The Heck' File #1610105

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Photo 1 is the Ju287 V1, essentially a technology demonstrator for swept forward wings and multi-jet configurations.

If I recall correctly, the wings were one-offs, the fuselage largely He177 (four engined, twin nacelle bomber), the tail section Ju388 (tactical bomber), Jumo 004 engines (as per Me262 etc), Ju352 main wheels (Ju 52/3m transport replacement) and the noses wheels (2 off) were the main gears recovered from Liberators.

It wasn’t very pretty…

The Ju287 V2 was a completely new design for a jet bomber using the V1 wing configuration.

April 19, 2004 at 11:53 am in reply to: Pics from 1952 – where to post? #1610375

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Thanks Steve,

I’ll try to scan a few tomorrow – OK to keep them on this thread?

ps how do people put their own comments under the avatar – junior member is too freudian?

April 19, 2004 at 9:05 am in reply to: Pics from 1952 – where to post? #1610519

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Spotted this link looking up Ambassadors ($27!)

http://www.rubylane.com/ni/shops/molotov/iteml/SUN1058

There’s apparently a photo of G-ALZN in the A J Jackson collection (http://www.ajjcollection.co.uk/alaa.htm), but not much other info.

Edit – three photos listed on http://www.transportphotos.com/UKCiv/index.htm which indicate, no surprise, that after BEA the aircraft was operated by Dan-Air

Another edit. According to http://www.alphalink.com.au/~cask/Dub_651.html, G-ALZN (s/n 5212) was in Dublin 30-Mar-1965. (what you can find on the net!)

Can anyone point me to additional sources?

April 18, 2004 at 9:01 pm in reply to: Pics from 1952 – where to post? #1610898

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I asked my Dad about it tonight. He says that he thinks it was WB210 and that a lot of its testing was based from the Vickers site at Hurn.

Here’s the next one in the album, which I hope is a little more presentable in terms of size and resolution.

This is Airspeed Ambassador G-ALZN in the colours of British European Airways. The badge on the fin is the Royal Mail emblem. Photo has been enhanced somewhat. The aircraft just visible in front of the hangars to the left of the Ambassador’s tail is probably an Avro York. Caption only reads “Ambassador LZN”.

BTW, if anyone wants a better resolution copy of any of these (for private use only), please pm me.
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