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  • in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602650
    MirageIII
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    At the endof this article, it isw mentionned that the Chinese Navy might later think of expanding its reach to the Straits of Malacca and the Bay of Bengal.

    http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/default.asp

    Interesting..

    in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602695
    MirageIII
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    Ok thanks, one can learn a new thing everyday. In the near future the depolyment of the Chinese Navy in the Indian Ocean seems unlikely, however it can change after 2010 ( Beijing Olympics are over, Shanghai Expo is done ) China need to secure its oil supply from the ME and now from Africa, so this base could becomre very useful for that purpose and at least to have some of it new “toys” from Russia training within the area. To deploy the SU-30Mkk series is fairly easy as long at the infrastructure is in place, the jets can fly straight from China to Myamar.

    in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602703
    MirageIII
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    I meant this base. The fact that both countries deny it do not mean much since they are not known for being so open-minded about this matter. In short run it will not be such of a challenge to India, still would be interesting to see in few years from now.

    The relation between both countries, China and Myanmar is failry good, they have a similar system and similar interests in the area..

    in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602716
    MirageIII
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    What about the Chinese naval base in Myanmar, is still in use or not anymore??? that could change the cards and have the PLAN right in India backdoor

    in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602723
    MirageIII
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    I do not agree , handling of aircraft, training and how well they are maintain does matter in the way the jets perform in combat as much as you rightly said communication and control, stituation awareness and so on.. it is a whole concept.

    At the moment both Indian and Chinese Navies are on a shopping spree in Russia to buy jets, subs, ships. The Indian Navy still has an edge through join exercises with the US and France as well as using modern European jets, albeit old now they can still hold their own as well as easier access to Western technology. This is going to improve if we can reasonably assume that the US. NAVY will held more exercises with India in the future.

    At the end it will come to how much money both countries can and are willing to invist in it since this kind of “exercise” is costly and takes time.

    in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602743
    MirageIII
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    That’s quite wrong…

    First you have to consider that all these planes you mentioned have pretty short life span. Thus meant every less training.

    CCTY reported that a Class A fighter pilot log over 300 hours a year.
    Not sure if its J-11 or J-8 pilot.
    although still less than western standers…

    For your info those comments about what a Chinese pilot average yearly hours of flying from the 1970 to 2000 are not coming out of my imagination. It comes straight from a former Chinese fighter pilot who ended up his career as 4 star General, I think knows better than you and I what he has done during his career with the PLAAF.

    From my side it was just to share what can be said as very reliable information and give some insight about it, nothing else.

    The J-5, J-6, J-7 fly an average of 45mn per sorties, which would come to about 125 missions a year.I would not take for granted that a Class A fighter pilot fly 300 hours a year on the J-11. The J-11 has been a difficult plane to handle in the PLAAF, there was quite a few crashes during the last couple of years and it is going to take few more years before those problems are all solved. This is due to the fact that the techonlogy gap between the J-7, J-8 and the J-11 is quite steep and it takes a lot of learning and training to handle it.

    To come back to the subject it would be interesting to have the Russion give India the chance to try their MiG-29K against the Su-30Mkk and compare it how they handle.

    in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602927
    MirageIII
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    Ok got it. The MiG-29K has some advantges, one is its size, smalle, more agile than the large SU-30 However the qualty of the pilots is an important factors to consider when comparing both planes. They were many examples of high tech planes which got a beating even faced with inferior design.

    This website provide some info on the Chinese SU-30MKK2:

    http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/fighter/su30.asp

    in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602933
    MirageIII
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    In the Chinese Air Force a pilot fly around 100 hours more or less per year. This info is from my father-in-law who used to fly the J-5. J-6, J-7, A-5 from the 1970’s until 2000

    in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602944
    MirageIII
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    The Indian Navy pilots have the advantage of having been trained on sea operations for quite sometimes already with the Harrier series, albeit different than the new MiG-29K. They also have more exposure to the other air forces such as during exercise Malabar. I think even the SU-30 has an edge over the MiG-29K in several aspects, the MiG-29K can still win. Remember the duel between the Sea Harrier and the Mirage during the Falklands War. Before arriving near the islands not many people were giving a chance to the Sea Harrier still they won, training was the key as well as other factors

    in reply to: Indian Naval MiG-29K v/s Cinese Su-30MKK2 #2602947
    MirageIII
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    I assure you matt I know the difference, and I feel that Pilatus’s statement was based on prejudice-quite possibly racist. He may not have meant to have come across this way but that is how his statement reads to me. The fact that you disagree with me suggests that there is certainly an ambiguity about it but it also shows the need to be very carefull with ones words-especially at a forum like this where tensions often run very high.

    Can you please tell what do you of the difference between the Indian & Chinese pilot training sylabus?? most of it is bases on assumption unless you have gone through one of those program or both which obviously not possible.

    To give you an idea, an average Chinese pilot will fly about 100 hours per year, more or less.

    in reply to: What about this…………… #2603649
    MirageIII
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    I found this link : http://www.naval-history.net/F29ascension.htm it mention the presence of three Phantom FGR.2’s of 29(F) Sqdn in Ascension Island

    in reply to: New Turkish AF trainer #2603735
    MirageIII
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    me too I am Swiss so I guess we know what we are talking about.

    From the info I have the PC-9 can easly be retrofitted to carry weapons, in fact many civilian airplanes can do as long as the wing is strong enough to carry extra load and that their is a delivery system in the cockpit.

    If Turkey choose the PC-9 it is going to be a surprise considering the points you mentionned before but who knows!!! on a strictly performance point of view the PC-9 has proven itself already

    in reply to: New Turkish AF trainer #2603759
    MirageIII
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    Well, for the PC-9, the Turks would have to deal with Swiss nonsense – they would have to swear that the planes would be used for training only, that they would not be subsequently equipped with armaments and never engaged in any manner whatsoever in active operations (such as against Kurds).

    BTW, the Swiss/Turkish are at a particularly low ebb (recognition of the Armenian genocide by the Swiss parliament about two years ago, violence at a Turkey-Swiss footbal game…) and the belief is in Swiss government circles is that Switzerland has been blacklisted and it stands no chance of winning such a contract.

    The Swiss nonsense is a choice made by a sovereign country, you do not have to agree with, nobody ask you to do so.

    The PC-9 has been designed for training purpose only, not to drop bombs or fire rockets in military operation even if it can and has done most probably. If the Turks want to have that choice, the KT-1 as well as the Tucano are the better choice. The T-6 might not be, since the US is working closely with the Kurds in Irak. Anyway using a turboprop trainer as COIN can become a challenge with the MANPADS available on the market

    in reply to: What about this…………… #2603771
    MirageIII
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    http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/phantom/history.html

    According to this there were Phantoms at Ascension during the Falklands War…

    The RAF had a couple of Phantom based in Ascension to protect it. This island was the main staging point for the British Forces moving to the Falklands Theather Of Operation. The RAF flew Harrier there which then flew to the aircraft carriers as well as having supplies, Army units transborded to the Royal Navy Auxillary ships. From Ascension Island the RAF also sent the famous Black Buck mission flown the Vulcan to Port Stanley. Another good reasons to have the Phantoms around just in case.

    During the Falkland War, apparently the Russians flew recon missions form their base in Angola with Tu-95 or Tu 142 to give some intel to the Argies, however am not sure about it, if anybody has more details on it??

    in reply to: New Turkish AF trainer #2603776
    MirageIII
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    Intersting point Mirage. So the PC-9/-21 (politics) and the T-6 (Greek issues) are probably not front runners. TAI could do a deal with the Egyptians to purchase the production line for the original Tucano, and the Egyptians have purchased TAI built F-16’s before so the relationship is there. Some question marks tho, would the Egyptians want to sell? Would the THK want the EMB-312? Not sure how EMBRAER would feel about it either. Anyway just a thought.

    As you rightly said it was just a thought, will be interesting to know which contenders will win the market. I am wondering why the SF-260, is not included in the proposal? is it because it has a side by side configuration?

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