😀 hmm not red but also not yellow
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France is as independent as it gets. Not sure what you’re going on about Rii, but the Rafale deal is not an American arms purchase. Tejas is partially one, but it’s probably using more Russia content than U.S. content by every measure.

ummm.. The only internal Russian Content that we will see in Tejas is Gsh 23 Gun. It will be carrying Russian, Western, Indian weapons that are in IAF stock. Dont know on what basis you can say that Tejas is using more Russian Content? Engine is American of course. Avionics is mix of Indian, Israeli, Western…

seems to me we heard that same sentence last year about the same period…

as said by swerve, the problem lies in the fact that India wants Dassault to be responsible for everything, while Dassault simple can’ty do that (as no company could). Last year, we had Dassautl complaining that HAL did not build infrastructures as required by Dassault and even refused Dassault engineers the right to inspect the facilities. How in such situation, could Dassault agree to sign to be responsible for what HAL does in the end?

One can only be so sure if an official statement from GOI ‘s MoD is issued stating “Dassault will be held for HAL’s fault”. All we have heard from def minister hinting in recent interview that problems are arising because of Dassault not agreeing to adhere to RFP. Now what are those terms of rfp? He did not tell as negotiations are still going up.

Until then to believe hunch and so called unnamed sources of Indian media would be foolishness.

Well this vehicle is more important in terms of a) Future Indian Human Spaceflight Program b) Future Heavier Commsat launching capability, eliminating need to go to ESA for launching Heaving Comm Satellites. c) Heavier Interplanetary Missions. … and so on. But that is quite away in future as this was just experimental flight with passive Cryogenic engine simulating 3rd stage. Next Complete test of LVM-3 Rocket along with proper cryogenic engine is at-least good 2 years away.

PS: I think this thread could be moved under Indian Missile Thread. Though I strongly support another forum sub-section for keeping track of space related activities world over. With new round of heightened space activity by various nations other than P-5 nations, these are interesting times. US, Russia, China, Korea, Japan, Brazil, Iran, India etc coming up with new interesting programs. It would be quite good to keep track and follow space activities in a separate space section.

HA HA HA HA!

They’d do well to take a good look in the mirror, smell the coffee and go get the glass roof of their procurement house in order before throwing stones because they’ve no artillery pieces left.

[howzat for mixing metaphors eh? :very_drunk:]

Well India is the customer, is paying monies for the aircraft, hence very well demand /ask whatever was promised… Regarding setting procurement house in order would mean less orders for outside world 😉 so it benefits certain people if Indian procurement house is in dis-array.

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This is not Brahmos 2 but HSDTV, which is a separate program.

I suggest you head north from mumbai to Indian occupied Kashmir, you’ll get a better account from the Kashmiris about the situation on the ground.

I am from “North”. Only pakistan backed jehadi and Islamic Terrorists wants Azzadi and support bloodshed of innocoents. Kashmiri Hindus, Budhists, Sikhs , Christians they all want to be part of India. They are angry against Indian govt, because they feel that for the vote bank sake they have gone too far in appeasing and tolerating $hit from Islamic sepratists, and in turn ignored their plight

The correlation between injustice and condemnation in the theatre of world opinion is, sadly, very weak. And India is one of the major benefactors of that. For all its inefficacy, Tibet is at least an active issue in world opinion. The same can’t be said for India’s ongoing occupation of Kashmir.

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You just be smoking some really powerful stuff that you deluded yourself to think that *you* have the right to paint *your* bigoted opinion as what the whole world opinion is? :rolleyes: