Looks like a nice Harrier GR7 (or other MK) throttle box…
Cheers,
Olivier
Given that the Halifax depicted has fluorescent gauges (note the later style r.p.m.s), there’s a very high probability that it was photographed in 1945, or postwar.
But aren’t we straying off the subject of 1939 480 m.p.h. ASIs?
And another thread to be open “When was first used fluorescent instruments”:rolleyes:
Cheers,
Olivier
It could also have been a Coastal Command Halifax…!
(It appears to be Merlin engined, if I read the boost gauge ranges correctly).
http://www.ovomalley.com/462_squadron_photo_album.php
Yes it could be … as well as Mr COOMBS could be wrong…
Olivier
We can always argue that this was taken in 1945, but this Halifax used Knot gauge as well as many bomber command A/C.
Photo from:
http://www.ovomalley.com/462_squadron_photo_album.php
The text is from L.F.E. COOMBS book The Aircraft Cockpit (PSL)
Cheers,
Olivier
Olivier,
We must have different Pilot’s Notes?
My copy, for the ASR 1, clearly shows an ASI calibrated in m.p.h. The text quotes m.p.h. with corresponding knots shown in brackets.
I have Provisional Notes for the GR 5. This does not have any photos, but the text refers to knots exclusively.
So I think you have a situation where the bomber versions would have had ASIs in m.p.h., but those later adapted for use with Coastal Command would have had ASIs reading in knots (same happened to the Whitley, Hampden, Beaufighter, etc).
My reason for mentioning the Warwick was to remind us that this aircraft was under development in the same time period as Graham’s 1939 ASI was manufactured. At this point, the aircraft was a heavy bomber. The prototype was flying in 1939.
Hence, another candidate to explain Graham’s early dated 480 m.p.h. ASI.
Yes indeed,;) I have a Warwick II & V Pilot’s notes copy, and I’m pretty sure that if once ever fitted (?) operationnally the 480MPH gauge didn’t last long.(first production Warwick to fly, May 1942 / 1st delivered ASR.I August 1943)
Coastal command ( but also some Bomber Command long range A/C used Knots even if they started with MPH ) for obvious navigational purpose.
I totally agree with you about the Whitley, Hampden, Beaufighter and the MPH gauge and as I previouly wrote the 480 MPH fits Beaufighter.
Cheers
Olivier
P.S.
Now, I think we really don’t have anything else to do to discuss endlessly about such subject (I’m part of it:D ) but in 1940 the USAAC had simple answer to simple ptoblem (question). The scan are from a 1940 technical manual, in the US to they owned high airspeed indicator, those indicators recorded 20MPH higher than the highest A.M. indicator (480MPH) at that time… and from 1942 (at least) they started to built 0-700 MPH gauges and that was only 61 miles from the barrier :dev2:
For reasons best understood by Vickers-Armstrong and the Air Ministry, the Warwick also featured a 480 m.p.h. A.S.I.
The Warwick was fitted 420 Knots gauge (if watching carefully the pilot’s notes), I strongly believe that there’s is no evidence of 480 m.p.h. A.S.I. on this plane. All the datas & limitations in the pilot’s notes are in knots to, needless to say that is duty asked for knots & wasn’t compatible with M.P.H.
Cheers,
Olivier
I agree with that but you must not have an airspeed that reads higher than the structural limits of the airframe and so groups of aircraft used groups of ASI’s. What aircraft could keep their wings on in a dive at 480 MPH in 40 or 41?.
For your theory to hold water you must find an operational aircraft ( at least one squadron), before 1942 that can safely dive at up to 480.
Why the 700 MPH USAAF gauge so ?
Did they get slower? why were early models fitted with 480’s and then post war fitted with 400Knts, which is about 420MPH ?
Because the 400Knts does simply not exist, it is a 420Knts gauge.
Cheers,
Olivier
Olivier,
Sorry, I should have been clearer. VNE is the maximum speed in a dive (Velocity Not to Exceed)
Having had a quick browse, the Mosquito could achive 350+ mph in level flight with the single stage engines, and so it is reasonablt to assume that VNE would have been somewhere over 400 mph.
Bruce
Bruce,
the reason why I’m reading and try to participate to this forum is to learn,
and I’m very glad to read you (you = Bruce & and all of you) to learn everyday something new, you don’t have to be sorry, and I should say thanks
to improve my knowedge.:)
Thanks again,
Olivier
Incidentally, going back to the Mossie.
The prototype did exceed 400 mph in level flight at a later point in its career, with different engines. I dont have my notes with me, but will check them. I feel sure that the VNE of the early Mosquito (including the prototype) would have been higher than 400 mph. Anyone know?
Bruce
Not to forget the dive speed, the level speed isn’t the only important speed to be record.
Cheers,
Olivier
Bruce this all makes sense but it doesn’t explain why there arent more of them around.
The aircraft, spares & accesories production were not the same in 1939 than in 1941/42/43/44.
The design (I Know at least 4 different one for the 480 MPH) can be different from on maker to the other as well as from one factory to an other.
Olivier
They’re better than P-51Ds. 😉 .
700 MPH A.S.I. 😮 Oh my god;)
Olivier
It seems to me that we take the business more serious than they did during wartime.
I was often confronted with strange adaptions which were not common especially regarding Luftwaffe panels.
When I asked the persons who had been involved these days they simply answered “We didn´t care, it was war”.
As example the Heinkel He 219 Uhu had an ASI going to 1000 km/h even it only reached 670 km/h.
Regards,
Herbert
That is the point, totally agreed with you Herbert, 3 different range of airspeed ind. could be use for one A/C without any problem.What was possible with airspeed ind. can be true with other instruments to and all of that officially.
Olivier
Nice picture’s i cannot make out the ASI is it 400 or 480?
I Graham,
It was 400 MPH and I forgot to say that it was from an Air Ministry instructional movie. (Crown copyright)
Cheers,
Olivier
To me the Homing indicator is the most probable, the gauge you show has an electrically moving pointer. Turn & Bank indicators are gyroscopic instruments, vacuum or electrical one, the pointer moves mechanically (may be not clear on that one ! forgive my limited english 😮 )
For benyboy, This my closest entry on my database, this must be the same compass with very minor differences, is your compass “lighted” ? anyway it can give you an idea of what plane could use it (the list is not exhaustive).
106A/223 – Compass
Pioneer ; MFR’S Part N° 1809-3-B ; Large Navigators ; Lighted ; Luminous.
B 25 NA62 ; CATALINA PBY ; DOUGLAS C47 ; VENTURA B34/PV1 ; MARTIN MARINER PBM ; LIBERATOR D.
Cheers,
Olivier
My research goes that Mk I and II had the +8, Mk V and IX the +16 and Mk XIV onwards +20 to 24.
Regards,
Herbert
The -8 to +20 lbs (6A/1427) was also fitted to the Mk.VIII. (Source RAAF)
Cheers,
Olivier