…will they surreptitiously jack up their price knowing… that it is too costly (in time and money)… ?
Interesting example given in regards to the L-1011/RR.
And regarding your sole-sourced leverage hypothetical: indeed… and as has been previously pondered too, what happens when let’s say, LM machinists (as per recent Boeing machinists’ threats) decide they want a 15% pay raise and increased benefits? :rolleyes: What then? Stall them in court for a year?? That’ll teach ’em a lesson?
This is all part of the so-called; ‘fundamental JSF business flaw from inception’, for those that ask.
Interesting. Thanks for the updated schedule estimates as they pertain to RAAF, Peter G.
Pretty much as some Program followers have assessed over the past couple yrs at least (e.g., IOC and FOC and weapon integration estimates, etc), but this better confirms the latest trending of things.
I’d personally support RAAF funding for the C1’s internal clearance, per an initial stand-off maritime capability. I’d also support the acquisition of a successful JSM, especially if it’s cleared for internal carry, prior to the C1?
Any word on RAAF interest in the AGM-154-ER?
And in terms of the AIM-120D, I’d seriously hope RAAF would acquire at least this advanced variant for the Super Hornets, prior to the currently anticipated 2018 F-35 IOC date??
Finally… with regards to legacy hornets retiring per the reported date given (2018) and F-35 squadron level FOC expected by 2021, one could guess the time to invade AUS would be around late 2018, early 2019?? 😀
Could it be as simple as a poor communication? e.g., 5 a/c delivered in the first phase with the remaining 19 a/c to follow in later deliveries? 24 in total?
Doh. 😉
Sounds like a reasonable swap, but a next gen Super could have some further upgradeable legs justifying a longer than currently calculated service life. Any further-out NGAD type program in all irony though, should/could be a justified international ‘JSF’ collaboration out of necessity, imho.
Personally, I don’t think the RN super-carrier strategy is a wise plan from the get go and actually have objected to it in favor of more subs and perhaps a couple more destroyers. (from an outside perspective). If truly required to operate these, EU needs to push kicking and screaming, due to necessity and transform to a joint-carrier operating naval force operating a common tactical a/c imho.
As a stop-gap alternative, maybe a 10-15 yr lease for the SH-international variant(?) which in extreme requirements could jointly operate from USN carriers – in part helping to address USN’s future empty deck conundrum?
Which only raises the question as to what form of transonic performance improvement will come about from such an F414 EPE power enhancement? That is, the extra kick necessary to break through the hump, sooner, hence also saving fuel.
I’m also curious if there’s some reason why the SHornets EFT’s are so draggy and rounded in appearance, as opposed to say F-15 or F-16 tanks? Would a more aerodynamic centerline EFT for example, help punch through transonic?
Fly away cost-
SE- $100 million
Block 60- $80 million
F-35A- $60 million
Reminder:
The popularly envisioned and widely quoted avg F-35 cost of $60m ea is the unfortunately mythical advertised cost – one based on high rates of procurement as originally scheduled and apparently still expected..
Hence, an important heads up:
There will not be year over year increasing DoD budgets for the indefinite future – that which would be a necessary condition to sustain the original F-35 procurement rates (or otherwise high rates). In fact, there will be highly reduced F-35 procurement rates and total buys (even under an all around best case scenario) due to inability to afford such fleet sizes given the decreasing defense buying power and overall impacting financial reality, long-term.
The entire F-35 Program is of course fundamentally unsustainable, information which very unfortunately not yet been comprehended by Congress as a whole. The F-35 Program (as most aviation watchers are starting to understand, if not already) is about to be radically downsized – thus deserving strategic recalculations, ASAP (if not already being done in secret). To what extent will the Program face imminent downsizing and to what affect on costs? That is the 60 gazillion dollar question.
In the end there’s nothing that keeps legacy types from getting the same avionic as the F-35.
True indeed.
Regarding CFT capacity and relative benefit: according to the graphic at least, the capacity could be somewhere in the 450 us gal ballpark? That could arguably be a legit investment, not a huge added value, but still a benefit (maybe equivalent of a hanging 600 gal tank?).
Re: IRST… if integrated under the nose as it appears to be in the depiction (and I confess I’m not crazy about the nose integrated gun space), it could avoid conflicting with the gun placement. If it were the same AAS-42 derived IRST as intended for the centerline tank IRST sys, then it would seem to be a relevant, dedicated LW IRST component installed smartly into the air vehicle?
2015 sounds like a fair entry date for this proposed affordable, next gen ‘International’ system.
I actually have a ‘block III yes or no survey’ thread previously posted over on F16.net, if anyone would wish to contribute there too, or review the vote count. 🙂
http://www.f-16.net/f-16_forum_viewtopic-t-14107-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-15.html
The CFT would seem to be a long anticipated ‘must have’ next gen option. Good for them to finally draw it into a concept. Same goes for the internal IRST… (I’m OK with the centerline IRST tank in the interim, but it’s one fat tank that would probably be better off dropping given any worst case combat scenarios)?
One could also contemplate a EO/MAWS cued-TADIRCM system integrated by around this 2015 date. But I guess I’d support a lower-drag, Low Observable centerline tank to best complement the CFT, even before any investment in a hypothetical LO pod. My 2 cents.
The next mod (if there is) will necessarily have to be a variant which is sustainable from a manufacturer’s standpoint via a low rate of production (e.g., profitable, affordable and on schedule at under 50 a/c units ordered per year, combined).
For example, the current F-35 program is unfortunately designed to only be sustainable and viable at very high annual unit production rates, which is simply not feasible nor realistic. Your ‘non-starter’ if you will.
So no question, LM needs to go back to the drawing board ASAP on this one – following Boeing’s lead – (if they haven’t started already) and try to restructure a Program which could in fact deliver a next gen product in a competitive fashion.
Why would you want China to fight the US? That would be the end of the global economy as you know it, and your mom will lose her job.
Good point. Kinda provocative line of contingency planning in public view, imho.
Maybe armchair generals (of any nation’s squad) could be more general and posture in more generic ‘us vs them’ examples yet still get the point across? Hmmm.
Maus92, you seem like you have a fair grasp on this subject matter.
A question to you or anyone else with more technical insight would be: if a hypothetical FMS customer could custom-order an F-35A CTOL mod with an alternative EO component to be integrated in a potentially modified/enlarged EOTS shell? For instance, a 9.2″ aperture Shadow/AAS-42 derived IRST in place of EOTS?
And the more radical proposal would be if an alternate targeting pod, say a Litening G4 optic, e.g., could be custom-integrated somehow into the external gun-pod, and attached to the center-point? Maybe buying 1 pod for every 2-3 operational a/c?
That combo to me would in theory be a flexible and highly capable sensor option. Your thoughts? Thanks in advance.
Having read lots of your posts on various topics you… nearly always will say black is white if the majority say its black :rolleyes:
Well, there’s at least one blog where you might find me mostly in agreement on many of the topics. So there you go 🙂
However, it’s likely human nature I guess to take an interest in formulating counter-points and other perspectives on subjects which perhaps one finds neglecting certain aspects of thought.
And imho it’s possible that each and every one of us can at some point at least, be guilty of fanboy syndrome or be over-critical/extremist in one’s opinions and assertions.
So was this particular F-22 demo one of the best flown to date, imho? Yes and credit to the pilot and crew. Did I potentially fly off the handle so to speak in expressing some unsettling perspectives with regards to a prematurely killed procurement in addition to being coupled with a high-risk, budget-cannibalizing recapitalization gamble affording no apparent plan B?
But yes, put me in the catagory countering both the policy and view in which insistently assures: ‘everything will be OK’ and ‘steady as she goes’. :confused:
Cheers.
sferrin,
Such an asymmetrical, modified ‘ERAM block AIM’ would actually be a full leap beyond GD’s old AAAM concept, but your pic makes the point still the same..
So perhaps consider an ERAM-x block as the ‘Hi’ part of a ‘should have’ Hi-Lo, long range stand-off intercept capability mix. A practical, near-term ‘lo’ part of the mix however, could consider an air-launched ESSM variant – maybe call it an EASM for Evolved Active Sparrow Missile. Perhaps substitute an NCADE seeker w/ relevant electronics (improved 9x IIR seeker), for the ESSM’s semi-active RF sys?
It’s not particularly conservative for aircraft that don’t have a lot of hours though. It still wouldn’t work out to losing 12 aircraft by 2025.
Now figure in 83 combat coded block35, not 87 and figure in that one a/c per 3 years could eventually be conservative.
Furthermore, figure in no such congressional support as of yet at least, to fund all block 30s to increment 3.2, let alone full 5th gen increment 3.3.
FYI: all available funds going to the all-or-nothing, stay-the-course F-35A plan.
Only 1 has been lost thus far in 5yrs. Do you forsee the accident rate going up significantly? Considering that 87 Block 35 are being bought, that would be almost 1 crash per year, thru 2025.
I was calculating something in the neighborhood of 1 a/c per 3 yrs, which especially later on could be estimated as conservative.