About the Gaurav Chibber accident – too much has been made of the reverse Artificial Horizon issue. The aircraft broke up in CB – even the best instrument flying wouldnt have saved the aircraft once it entered CB.
Besides no pilot worth his salt relies only on the Artificial Horizon (its an Attitude Director in Migs and other Eastern European aircraft – the little plane in the window moves not the horizon), there is a constant scan that needs to be set up which crosschecks airspeed, altimeter, rate of climb and turn and bank indicator with the AI at the center of it.
I have flown aircraft of both types (US Cessna’s and T-34s and Shenyang CJ-6s)- in a few sorties it becomes instinctive. The AD in the Eastern European aircraft is way better than the ones found in most Western aircraft – it doesnt topple even in aerobatics! I know an aerobatic competition pilot who uses the AD to set his 45 degree up and down lines!
Addressing Aditya’s post – the “Western” stream training on Kiran Mk IIs is a thing of the past. This used to be true in the Hunter days – most HOFTU people used to go to Jags/Hunters/Canberras/Ajeets. However even then it wasnt that clear cut – one of my friends went Kiran Mk1 -> Kiran Mk II ->Hunters->Ajeets->Mig-27->Mig-23BN!!! Also another friend went HPT-32 -> Kiran MK1 -> Mig-21FL-> Mig-21 Bis!! He had all of 75 hours of jet flying when he ended up starting operational training on the Mig-21!!! I am amazed the accident rate wasnt even more horrendous!
Now the assignment of aircraft is made at MOFTU stage. The real “hard” categorization (if there is one) is “Air Defence” and “Others” (ground attack mostly). To get into a Mirage 2000 squadron you almost always had to be in the Air Defence stream. Almost all the Mirage guys flew Mig-21 Bises. I know of a case where a Mig-23BN guy got posted to Mirages but was re-posted back to BNs after completing ground training. The Mirage CO said “if I get Flogger guys in here where do my Mig-21 guys go!”
I am sure there are Mirage 2000 guys who have flown the Su-30, especially some test pilots who would have evaluated it. There was scheme wherein relatively junior IAF pilots with a 21, 23BN, 27, Jag and other backgrounds were selected for Su-30 training – given a Mig-29 phase to consolidate and then moved to Su-30s.
It all depends is what I am saying!
The Mig-21s being retired are Mig-21FLs or Type 77s as they were called in the Indian Air Force. There are still over 10 squadrons of Mig-21 MFs (Type 96), Mig-21 Bis’s and Mig-21 UPGs (Bises upgraded) in service with the IAF.
The Type 77s were used in the advanced and fighter training role alongwith Mig-21U-600s (Type 66). The other twin seaters are Mig-21 UMs (Type 69) which serve alongside the MFs and Bis’s in the operational squadrons.
HAL manufactured the Mig-21 FL, Mig-21 M (MF with FL engine), Mig-21MF and Mig-21 Bis in India. An accurate count is difficult but there have been about 550 Mig-21s operated by the IAF.
check out
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Aircraft/Models/Polly/PollyM13.html
for a great synopsys.
Agree with Pegasus – I saw the G-222 display during a sales tour in 1979 to the Indian Air Force at Safdarjang airport (which is the flying club airport not the main airport in New Delhi). My school was under the pattern at that airport. Due to my old man being an IAF pilot I had seen lots of flying displays – but this one took the cake. Despite threats of expulsion – none of us left the playground till the display was complete.
Loops, rolls, stall turns all at incredibly low altitudes – with such a big aircraft made a huge impression. Those Romans are crazy* !!!!
* from Asterix.
Wow! I have a collection of books over 20 years and I see some that I missed here. Goodbye paycheck!
My favorites by category
WWI air combat
Fighting the Flying Circus by Rickenbacker
Between the wars
1. Flying Summer by Frank Tredrey. RAF QFI training in the 1930s
2. Never Stop the Engine While its hot. David Lee – the RAF in India during the height of the raj
WWII air combat (fighter)
The Big Circus by Pierre Clostermann
WWII air combat (bomber)
Dambusters by Paul Brickhill
Fast Jets
Last of the Lightnings by Ian Taylor. Photos and experiences galore – it feels like you are in the cockpit.
Jet air combat
1.Check Six by Boots Blesse. Korean war action
2.Scream of Eagles by Robert Wilcox. Top Gun – how the school was established.
Record breaking
Against the Sun by Peter Twiss. Breaking Mach 2 with the Fairey Delta.
Flying in general
1.Think like a bird by Alex Kimbell. Gave me a new respect for people flying light aircraft (he was an Royal Army Chipmunk/Auster/Beaver pilot)
2. No Visible Horizon by Joshua Cooper Ramos. What it takes to be top 10 in the US national aerobatic championship.
Hi R Weaver,
I havent flown the Cub, most of my 35 hrs or so (including 10 hrs aerobatics) have been in Citabria 7GCAs and 7KCABs (the latter with inverted fuel, since its fuel injected). I re-learned how to really fly (after my PPL and some time in Cessna 152s, 172s and Beech T-34s) at Amelia Reids Aviation in San Jose, CA. (Their website is at http://www.ameliareid.com/)/
Flying taildraggers is just a more precise form of flying a Cessna – you have closer tolerances on attitude, drift and speed control. The control pressures on the Citabria were 1/4th of those I was used to in the Cessnas. Control coordination (especially use of rudder) was vital in all manuevers – I learned how really to do a balanced turn, how to slideslip and how to keep flying the aircraft till it was shut down and tied down! All in all it made me a real stick and rudder pilot. I fly the Cessna the same way now – I am a much better pilot for it.
Here are some other schools in and around the Seattle area that you might consider
Avian Flight Center http://www.avianflight.com/
This is in Bremerton, about 25 miles south of Seattle
Northwest School of Aviation (at Paine Field in Everett)
http://www.northwestschoolofaviation.com/
Pro Aire – in Arlington, WA. 25 miles north of Seattle – this is were the “Oshkosh of the Northwest ” (the EAA Arlington fly-in) is held.
http://rollie-mike.freeyellow.com/flightschool.html
These guys have a Cessna 170 taildragger for rent, which I will be flying
Snohomish Flying Service (15 miles North East of Seattle)
http://www.snohomishflying.com/
And for the fun stuff
Kenmore Air (for Seaplane ratings)
http://www.kenmoreair.com/instruction.html
Seattle Seaplanes (they have a Stinson 108 on floats for rent at $55 /hr!)
http://www.seattleseaplanes.com/pages/Instruction.html
When you get here do give me a shout!
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Where will you be flying in Seattle? I have just moved here and am looking for a good GA field. The ones near town (Boeing Field and Paine Field) are quite a bit more expensive. For a taildragger pilot like me only Snohomish County and Arlington airports are options.
Also get your IFR rating here – lots of “real” IFR. Freezing levels can be very low, so you learn how to avoid icing.
Mountain and float flying are other interesting flying opportunities in the Seattle area.
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