Amazing that not a single person has shown any interest in this. Is it well known and “old hat” to you all?
Very brave stuff……
It sounds like a pre-emptive strike to stop the Germans opening the flood gates while they were retreating and flooding our troops.
Once you start digging there are so many truly heroic raids in addition to the ones so well known about. (That is why I think they should not remake the Dambusters film but find another raid to create a film around – there are plenty). The cynic in me says that the reason so few have replied to this raid thread is that it didn’t involve Lancaster’s raiding Germany, but I shouldn’t think like that!
Cabin roof = Pilots escape hatch,
Nose broken on ditching or from fishing nets,
Prop blades broken as the MkII Hali had wooden blades.
To me it has the hallmarks of a ditching similar to W1048. As I said I thought that all the aircraft, crews and crashes from the Tirpitz raids had been accounted for.
I’ve just read about this on the Halifax Facebook site. Wow…. It gave me goosebumps looking at the video. I wonder what its ID is. I thought the locations of all the Tirpitz Halifaxes were know.
She looks a bit far gone now, but I do hope that she can be saved. The World needs more Halifaxes and another early Merlin one on display would be awesome. I doubt if the brits would want it but the Canadians are brillant at restoring Halifaxes.
But could a Halifax do it as well? Anyone any thoughts/anecdotes?
There were trials done on all the heavies for three, two and single engine performance. There are pictures somewhere of the test Hali MKII with just one fan turning and they did calculates the sink rate. (was it BB324 / ZA-X)?
I don’t think any of the operational heavies could stay up with just one fan turning.
Its a good airshow stunt though!
But could a Halifax do it as well? Anyone any thoughts/anecdotes?
Who cares!

Hi all,
I am currently in the process of getting 578 squadrons WWII record books and photographs digitised.
I am going to make backups as suggested and also distribute copies to others.
However I am also looking at archive institutions. You could start at your local library. Most Cities have their own archives. Just a thought. That way they should be preserved in a sympathetic way.
Just in case there is any doubt – having an original ton up lancaster – anywhere – especially at Hendon is wonderful! That is not in doubt in any way.
It is very emotive to see a genuine ton up Lanc at Hendon…… I’ve often wondered why Friday 13th was reduced to pots and pans….. For the sake of future generations what a sight it would have been a Ton up Lanc and Halibag side by side. But I guess we’ll never know.
Isn’t there one in the Irish Sea they are looking at recovering?
Yup found it
http://www.57rescuecanada.com/
For the latest info. I really wish them luck finding her. Personally I think the local trawlers will have mangled up any remains by now.
MZ981 is a just about complete and unpilfered wreck. Sadly it is distributed across a Pyrenees mountainside where it crashed in July 1945. But all bar the engines are still there if someone wants a giant jigsaw puzzle. (I however think she is best left as a memorial to the crew).
The Lough Neagh Halifax was Halifax RG831 it ditched in 1948 and recovered not long after.
Thread and picture here:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?50612-Shorts-Sunderlands/page2
Paul
Just giving this a gentle bump….. “I guess no ones replied cos it didn’t have lancaster or Spitfire in the title” 🙂
For me it is just sad that there has only been a cursory acknowledgment of 6 Group Bomber Command and has nothing to do with an unwillingness to travel. Imagine if the boot was on the other foot – could you ever imagine a B-24 flying to the UK and not spending time in Norfolk and Suffolk, a Dam Busters commemoration taking place anywhere other than in Lincolnshire or a major Battle of Britain event centred around Scotland and the north east with, maybe, a token flypast over Biggin Hill to keep the natives quiet. All that said, there’s nothing up here for the BBMF and CWHM to support, even YAM who had such a strong connection with Canada seem to have been unable, for whatever reason (I did email them but had no reply), to organise anything. It really isn’t fair to dish out blame to anyone, certainly not to the BBMF or CWHM as has happened elsewhere on the internet, but it is obviously disappointing to many all the same. Hopefully both Lancasters will make it into Yorkshire (and beyond) tomorrow, the people I stood with in the pouring rain today (many elderly folks) were understandably disappointed when the aircraft didn’t show but no one was spitting feathers, and everyone vowed to be back again tomorrow whatever the weather, so full marks to the BBMF and CWHM for reorganising their Sunday for us.
I agree totally with these sentiments.
It seems a little strange that more things haven’t been arranged for No6 group county!
Why not more time at YAM?….. They could have dragged the Hali out for a fly past in much the same way as flying over Jane….. After all the Canadians did fly most of their ops on Halibags. The Canadians home airfields seem to have been largely forgotten by in this visit and in general.
It may seem a daft question but is Sally B going to join them at any stage. That would be quite a sight.
Its strange that Vera has gone “tech” in Teeside.
I had been wondering why she wasn’t spending more time in Yorkshire/Tesside as that is where 6 Group flew from.
Perhaps she was hinting at something!
I suppose that the problem always was……………………the lack of a Halifax on which to display the pannier!
So true there should be at least one civilian Halifax preserved for their contribution to the Berlin airlift alone!