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There is a buzz in certain circles that Iran obtained over 200 warheads from a certain “istan”
country, and that certain former citizens of a certain “istan” country are living it up somewhere
with tropical weather.
If cornered and backed against the wall through false pretense of having to (prove a negative), by
the 2 most vicious and barbaric regimes of the recent history, the Iranians may just.
I see that a B-2 is not as invincible as some wishful thinkers think it is. So, how to counter the
few thousand Cruise Missiles, at their source, which I would think may be be a few dozen?
SSS-666It just might work,hmmm lets offer him lots of money ,and 100 virgins 🙂 .Nice joke.
Seriously now,the scenario is this,russia and china would like to get their hands on pieces of b-2spirit.We will use Satelite radar tracking,give exact flight path and time schedule to Iranians,they saturate the area with missiles at precise time.Or quickly send fighter to destroy it since if flies alone!! :dev2: It shouldnt be difficult as they will relax and start to use same paths.We gave it to Serbia and they shoot down f-117a with more stealth then oversized b-2,or semi-stealth compromise supermanuverable supercruising solution named F-22. 😎
Sometimes i wonder when i hear epic stories about glorious american armies conquest/ what have this guys been smoking?:rolleyes:
They couldnt win in vietnam with 3,5 time less population and less training then Iran,couldnt invade a 10mil. population of serbia,made a “victory” in a much smaller in population and in size afganistan thank to support from nort aliance [wich is pro-iranian 🙂 ],[still lot of spots in there where its not safe],cant win an insurgency of 7 milion rebbel suni in iraq….And they want to invade a country thats bigger then iraq and afganistan combined and has a 70+ million population,and is better prepared.With what soldiers?Rebbelions in afganistan and iraq would double in size.usa will have very few soldiers to controll situation and terrain,it would be stretched to thin and destroyed….
That would just be a mass murder of american soldiers….Best u.s.a. can do is establish some no-fly zones at best,and put sanctions on iran but the trade over the caspian to Russia will continue at worst.So there is NOTHING u.s.a. can do,dont you get it,if they could they would have done it so far.
Now nucear instalations are spead all over country like their most advanced planes its in irans doctrine!Strikes would delay a-bomb but not for very long.And after strikes iran would retaliate dont you doubt it.CIA is frantic in searching for agents in usa but still cant find them.
Now some word about long-wave radars,old tech,radio-amateur can make antennas with less 2.000 euros.Simple,cheap,modular structures and electronics cabin can be connected to antenna with long cables for protection.After sead aircraft destoroy them simply build hudreds more out of [for exa. P-16 16 -modules actually not very big in 2 rows by 8 antennas(4,5methers wide) on a simple truck]and reconnect them.I think cruise missiles are way more expencive.Put thousands of false radar beacons around,and truck ,tank ,tor,..decoys, ,,shut down your real AD network for a while and after they think they whiped you out turn it all at once….And they will fall like flies.99% of aircraft in that operation will not be stealthy and will suffer.If they stop shooting at decoys then could put a real thing amongst them.
Good post, great strategy, to the point, logical, doable and effective.
SSS-666A very good point Barbarian. I guess, “we” can kill 125,000 innocent civilians in one country
and 75,000 in another, and call them collateral damage. But if “they” kill 3,000 of us, they are
terrorists. If “we” kill civilians that make stuff that is used to fight us, we are called “partisans,”
and if “they” do the same, they are terrorists. If we grab a handcuffed man and break his limbs
one by one it is called “abuse,” maybe, but if “they” do the same, it is called “torture” and “they”
are labelled uncivilised and Barbarian (no pun intended)
Wishful thinking like this is the problem with some of us, like Chrom. Always tooting our own
horns and beating our skinny chests yelling USA USA. Invincibility is what is driving a nation
like the US to continually meddle in every single country on this planet, and tell them what to do
and how to do it.
If they don’t, they are rogue, and if they do, they are “democratic”. Even if they have never had
an election in their history, or allow women to vote, if they even had a sham election, or allow
their women to drive. As long as they kiss American butt, they are good.
There are a lot of fanatics in the US who are itching to attack Iran. They think the US is
invincible, like some of us in this thread, even though the US has lost almost every single war in
the past 60 years. Most recent one is Iraq. Where, it is the Iranian influence that is preventing
mass killings of the 3 Anglo/Saxon Axis soldiers, and their being slaughtered like feral animals.
If the go ahead is given by Sistani, an Iranian, the 100 American casualty posted by someone
here will indeed come true. 100 per hour.
Now, can the Iranians do much more than what a few innovative posters have suggested? A
“flying” boat will make a great tourist sightseeing gig, but against the sophisticated Navy ships it
is nothing but a interesting target practice. For the life of me, I can’t figure how a propeller
driven thingy can be stealthy.
A jet-powered “flying” boat could get closer to a ship to launch a 300+ kh torpedo, not a kit
plane with grey paint. Bahrain and Qatar would, and should, be the primary targets of Shahabs.
But can the Shahabs be stopped? And what can Michael Jackson do to save his butt?
SSS-666The only thing any country in the entire world can do, is try to widdle the readiness of the US airforce down enough that when they do hit you, the effect won’t be AS BAD. Placing spotters near AFB to moniter take off, landing, and reaction times isn’t too difficult. And since that was the case with Operation Allied Force, it’s a proven method of AD. Putting mortars, shoulder launched SAMs, or even AT missiles in the hands of these spotters would be fairly simple as well. They can only expand their perimeter so far before it interferes with the local gov’t that they’ve “acquisitioned” the base from. Another thing, you don’t have to be on the base itself. Knocking out the control tower, a few mortar rounds in the middle of the runway, or a conventional or chemical attack on the pilots barracks would be extremely deadly. I can’t believe that some maniac hasn’t tried to knock out west point, annapolis, or the air force academy. It costs $1million to train a pilot and four years. Think about that, you can’t just roll the pilot off of a production line. When someone starts to think outside of the box, you truly realize how vulnerable we are even with all of airplanes, tanks, bombs, nukes, etc. Quite frightening really. Back to the Iran problem more specifically though. Wait out the first few waves of attacks. Moniter enemy flying patterns and tactics. And inflict as much damage possible by unconventional means. Special forces operations and the such. Knocking out or damaging factories here in the US would also prove to be a setback for us. There are so many variables that we haven’t thought about. For them to actually hit back, they’ll need a lot more than the 40 or so F.14s that they have. Even if they had 100 operational and another 100 MiG.31s, the US would just strike, strike, strike, until there was nothing left. Then, they’d bring in the conventional planes to do as they’d like. So, if you hide your planes, the threat is always there and the US wouldnt be able to operat at full capacity b/c of threat levels.
Asymmetrical war is not that difficult, as one does not need to worry about military installations
and such. It is extremely easy (waaaay too easy) to go after a few hundred packed Churches,
Baseball, Football or Basketball games, movie theatres and the like. 100 X 100 = 10,000 dead
enemy citizens. Hell, who knows, maybe 1000 X100=100,000. That, will bring an end to the
false belief of invincibility, and thinking twice about attacking a country without provocation in
a mission from God. (Lets not forget that God talks directly to Bush)
As well, if a supposed superpower uses Nuclear weapons of any sort, Bunker Buster or
otherwise, the rules of engagement will change and allow the attacked country to do the same. If
that country does not have Nuclear weapons, then Chemical weapons would be fair game. Just
imagine what that would do in a big city.
In the 60s Kennedy was too stupid to realise the ramification of a Nuclear strike on the Soviets
or Cuba. Thanks to the cool head of the Russians, we are not walking around with 2 heads and
an extra ear, due to the fallouts. Here, the Iranians would have to be the ones to prevent the need
for asymmetrics.
However, asymmetrical warfare may end a war sooner rather than later, but it will not prevent
the destruction of important Scientific or Military installations. Not to mention thousands of
civilian death, as we have seen for the past 60 years these two most aggressive and barbaric
countries do not hesitate for a second to kill civilians, with the specialty in killing little kids.
However, this thread is about the prevention of the destruction of vital assets, and civilian
deaths. Not asymmetrical warfare, which inevitably will be about killing more civilians whom,
like the attacked country, may or may not approve of their government’s twisted Christian
Crusade endeavours in a mission from God.
How do you pop the ego of a bunch of Fundamentalist Christians who have one hand on the
Bible and the other on the Red button? As Mentioned before, one of those characters mentioned
above, looked up from his Bible just long enough to say he knew of the plan to use 2 B-2s only
to destroy all of Iran’s important assets. Two B-2s, because there were 1 too many targets for
one B-2.
He believes Iranian military is so weak, and the US so invincible, that the B-2s alone could take
care of business, and Iran couldn’t do anything about it. The question here is, is he right?
SSS-666You cant defeat the U.S, It is impossible. And russia is no longer a superpower, They cant even afford to pay their pilots anymore. And most of their aircraft have not recieved spare parts in decades. And china will not do anything against the u.s since they are not a superpower either, China needs the U.S more then the U.S needs them. China’s eco relies on the U.S outsourcing too much. And china is not willing to risk this on a Dumpster Like Iran.
There is a thread somewhere else which is called “funnies/Jokes,” or vise versa. Give them a
shot, they will laugh their ass off too.
SSS-666Hahahaha… both were internal conflicts… and the Ukraine had no nukes during the Orange revolution.
The best defence is to use what they have, ie F-14s, and perhaps buy some Mig-31s and improve their radar coverage. Any hint that there is an attack going ahead these assets should try to bring down any intruders using IRST and IR guided missiles or guns (though if they turn out to be F-22s it would obviously be a real problem for those assets), but the real defence would be the hundreds of Theatre Ballistic missiles Iran starts to rain on US assets in the region in Iraq, in Saudi Arabia etc etc… and it would be a real defence simply because it would be made clear right now that that would be the result of a US attack on Iran. Filling the Persian gulf with mines and then covering those mined areas with ground launched anti ship missiles of some mass produced and cheap form like a modified chinese model that is large and unremarkible on its own but can have its range extended by x hundred kms and declare the Pesian gulf closed to all traffic… civilian and military. Anyone wanting to test you will receive missiles.
Place thousands of launch sites along the persian gulf… and thousands more fake launch sites and position the real site in secret (the way the Iraqis successfully did in the recent US/UK invasion).
Great strategy, it is very doable with what they got. I agree that the response to any attack
whatsoever should be immediate and massive.
Iran’s intelligent operatives can easily ascertain those Persian Gulf litoral Arab countries that
cooperate with the Americans, or Israel in their attack, just like they did with Saddam. And,
retaliate with massive firepower. Not to mention the one or two former Soviet beggar northern
neighbors.
Anything less would be seen as weakness, and will bring future attacks on the Iranian basic
infrastructure any time they want to make a point.
Isn’t it a good assumption that the first one or two days will be primarily Cruise Missile
attackes? And, if so, where would they be fired from, and of course, how to counter them?
SSS-666.
This is what Iran has done, and I’d hazard a guess that it is exercising a strong deterrent effect. I saw a report on Yahoo yesterday where the west is anxious about Iranian commando forces operating in Iraq and abroad. Doesn’t take much imagination to think of what could be done with some Hellfire type laser guided missiles.
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Yes they will, and that means Iranian LFR is probably a dead issue within minutes of the war starting. But if Iran is to shoot down a B-2, they need this type of surveillance system to limit the area in which to search for their quarry. Therefore I think that the only way they can ‘square the circle’ would be for a friendly neutral power to deploy low frequency radar near the border to cover Iranian airspace. This is the only method by which such clumsy devices can possibly escape certain destruction at the hands of the USAF.
Iran is a much, much bigger country than Iraq or Serbia. Hence it will be far more difficult for the USAF to prevent the Iranian air force from flying because even the USAF can’t maintain a constant CAP that far from its own bases in hostile SAM zones. The problem for Iran is that American fighters are so superior that their own aircraft will have to run away from any potential confrontation. And ‘fleet in being’ isn’t much of a strategy when the enemy is ripping apart your infrastructure with precision guided weapons….
Here’s my guess.
I think the B-2 might not be stealthy in the Z-axis. That is, I’m guessing if the radar is illuminating the target from almost directly below or directly above, then the B-2 has no steath characteristics worth mentioning. I think this because, when you look at a B-2, it’s all curves and oblique angles in the X and Y axis (the sides and front and back), but it’s a giant flat metal surface (ie, a big radar reflector) from above or from below. (If this is so, then the B-2 actually attacks targets at a lower altitude than expected – say 5,000 feet to 14,000 feet depending on the density of the radar net it’s working it’s way through).
The Mig-31 has a noteworthy ability – its radar is credited with being able to illuminate and track straight down and straight up. This is interesting because this might just happen to be the axis in which the B-2 is as steathly as a B-52 with barn doors glued to the wings. If Iran had this fighter (they don’t) and if a friendly neutral power were able and willing to feed them data from a LFR network (they won’t), then the Iranians, in theory, might be able to use their Foxhounds in an effective search net; some kind of fast picket line scanning in the Z axis. A B-2 might have trouble getting out of the way because the Foxhound is so fast, and it’s radar might not be very detectable while scanning straight up or down.
One of the best strategies so far. It requires all Soviet made equipment which Iran either has,
rumoured to have, or can have at the right price.
I read somewhere in this forum, like most of you, that a UAE pilot (if there are such things as
UAE pilots, since they have everything done for them even dying for the sake of UAE)
witnessed what seemed to be Iranian MIG-31, and that Iran was in fact capable of using their
MIG-31 fleet’s radar to just about cover the entire country.
Is there any other intelligent strategy against B-2s. And, how would you counter the few
thousand Cruise Missiles which will rain down, if not stopped before their launch, in the first
few days of the assault?
SSS-666back on the subject? What kind of a effect would have if they would detonate a nuclear device in a suborbital trajectory, wright above the planes?
Sorry my friend, I did not get your point. You used Pronoun without specifying the Noun. They,
who?
SSS-666Sending young men, their fathers and their fathers’ fathers to missions that would be considered
100% deadly, is not Not valuing your countrymen. It is absolute bravery in facing an enemy that
does not hesitate for a moment to use chemical weapons, supplied by the US, use intelligence
about your position and battle planes, supplied by the US, or modern weapons, supplied by the
US. When the alternative is surrendering your country to an animal called Saddam, who,
hopefully, will do some good to the preservation of the California Condors by being hung by his
little balls from a tree. After all Vultures have more value than that scumbag.
Obviously the Iranians are brave and proud to die for their country. AND, that does not mean
they are suicidal, just that they value their Homeland more than their lives. I do believe it is
general knowledge the cowardice and death-phobia of the Americans, and the “westerners” in
general.
Iran will not send its highly trained pilots to kill themselves for one lousy plane, regardless of its
value. Clearly the Iranians learnt that no one on this planet can trust the Americans for anything,
except Israel. Who everybody that knows, knows they run just about every “western”
government, and then some.
Enough of the rhetoric.
Realistically, with what the Iranians have, there must be a way to stop what is known to be
coming regardless of the sophistication of the weaponry.
SSS-666Why couldn’t the Iranians develop midget, remote Subs, used as live-feed “underwater” cruise
missiles, using electronic and visual cues. These could sit at the bottom, undetected, for months.
And, activated when needed. Sort of like mines, except these actually “search” and destroy Subs
and surface Ships. They don’t need to be Kamikaze either. They could be used for several different targets.
SSS-666This is how i would do it.
Now im assuming you would have a pretty decent air defence setup, probably some S300’s and the like and whatever else you have to throw up there. The trick is to have at least 5 dummy sites for every real one, and i dont mean cardboard cutouts, i mean real looking batteries, decoy electronic warfare devices… the lot. Make it out as if your entire force (of decoys that is) is waiting for the Americans to attack. The real ones are hidden further out, pretty much right about the area where the americans will weapons release (and as such be as unstealthy as possible), heavily camouflaged, and totally turned off.
All you need to do is wait for the massive alfa strike, have the decoys demolished one after an other, and as the strikes are reaching their crescendo, unmask your proper air defence assets (wich should be directly under the US air force if youve done your homework right), and fire away.
Massive anti air ambush :diablo:
I liked your ideas highlighted above. Up until the talk about martyrdom and suicide-pilot
missions. I think it is a twofold misconception to firstly, think that Iran is so week and desperate
that it needs to send its highly trained pilots to kill themselves just to bring down 1 B-2, and,
secondly , that Iran does not value its soldiers like the “west” to send them to be killed just to
bring down 1 aircraft. I guess that is the prevalent disrespect of what “we” dub the third-world-
country “worthless” lives.
I just can’t see how it would be possible to keep a bombing mission, using whatever, a surprize.
When it has been advertised for months. And, THAT is what this thread is about. ((( The
Iranians know of the time and the date, and the location, of the attack)))
Decoys seem to be a good idea, regardless of its predictability. Who knows, may be Iran could
place a dozen decoys around its valued assets, but also, include real ones mixed in.
As for the armament to be used by Iran, it needs to be kept realistic. Not what Iran should’ve
had, or should have. It is “generally” known what they have, and THAT should be the only
consideration. Now, the innovations and tactics they could use with what they already have,
would be interesting to hear. As the person in charge of the Iranian Armed Forces, what would
you do to defend the country?
Some NeoCon Senator lifted his head off the Bible just long enough to claim that the US could
wipe Iran’s entire arsenal with 2 B-2s. And that Iran could do nothing about it, even if they knew
the B-2s were coming. Well, is this self-righteous ignoramus correct, or is he just whistling
Dixie?
SSS-666Can anybody explain the problem with this pic?
SSS-666Can anybody explain the problem with this pic?
SSS-666So everything the US media reports is a complete and total falsehood then?
That is almost 100% right.
SSS-666Refresh my memory…isn’t Iran giving explosives to the Iraqi insurgents? Act of war.
Now, you know that is Rumsfeld talk. Don’t believe a thing at FOX and CNN.
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