SSS-666The key point was, “they know the attack is coming”. Also, must keep in mind that the B-2s can
fly all over the country and look at the historical sites if they wish. The only thing the Iranians
want to protect is their Nuclear Power Plants and Military installations.
Essentially, not a lot of airspace needs to be covered, by whatever means. Only those areas of
interest.
With this in mind, what would you do to counter the B-2s ? Wouldn’t a Mig-31 with the same
ceiling as the B-2 be handy?
SSS-666Sheesh, just what is this forum about these days? Seems to me its become a anti Bush Blair hate fest and a pro-dictator love fest! Yeah saddam was a fantastic leader wasn’t he. (rolls eyes) I only wish i had lived under the fantastic Baathist goverment of Saddam for then i would truly have lived in a country ruled by the greatist leader of modern times. (sighs) Now back to Iran and its lust for atomic weaponry, and lets face it guys no amount of telling us they don’t want them is going to make any sane, rational person believe you.The evidence is almost over whelming in whats being developed. One name should be enough to make all of you realise this no matter what side of the fence your on, that name is Abdul Qadeer Khan. Now for those who don’t follow these things i suggest you go do some research on this man and his dealings with certain countries. Next i would say go research on Iranian statements about nuclear weapons and destroying Isreal, no not the famous speech that happened a few months back but all of the litterally hundreds of other times Iranian ministers and officials have said they will have the atom bomb. It may come as a shocker to some of you guys who only hear what mainstream media is telling you but Iran has been promising for many many years now to obliterate Israel with atomic weapons. Please save you breath arguing with me on this subject and use your mind to actually look up and find out about these statements. I am not here to argue but i feel some people are so blinded by anti Americanism that they cannot and will not see what is so perfectly clear to everyone else. I’m not jewish either so don’t think i am some Israel lover, I’m from the UK just before anyone starts screaming hatred in my direction. Look guys who do you think is really going to come out of this still standing when the Iranians aquire and use there new toys, i tell you for sure the people that will suffer more then any others will be the average decent Iranian. I’m sorry to dishearten you pro-Iranian anti American bunch but you leader is taking you down a path extremely similer to that which Adolf took Germany down. And please don’t tell me GWB is doing just that in Iraq for that argument is about the lamest most pathetic one going possibly only topped by the ‘its all for the oil’ mindless sort of commentry we hear. Oh for the record no millions died because of what we did in Iraq and please do not use the pathetic he never had WMD argument, he damn well did and the victims which were his own population were the ones that suffered more then anyone under the rule of that disgusting tyrant and his family, oh and don’t try that jaded old line ‘but we sold him the WMD because thats such a pathetic argument. Even if we had have armed him with WMD we did not make him use them on his own people! He took that decision, nobody else, not rumsfeild, not GWB, not Blair, but himself! Nobody forced his finger on the button as it were, he did it all of his own back. Ah then we have Kuwait and what his forces did to that country, i guess that was all our (the wests) fault like every thing else in the world is deemed to be today and not his own stupidity and gross underestimate of what happens when people misbehave. Iran is going down this same road but the end result my not be a three week ground war with the Goverment removed and the capital city stormed and taken as what happened to Saddam but this time it could mean Tehran and all the other wonderfull Iranian cities and surrounding areas are nothing but glass parking lots! I really do feel sorry for some people and the way they think the Iranian leader is a hero, hes simply leading you down his apocalytic road of doom unfortuantly. My hope is that the sensible Iranians will rise up and take the Islamic nutcase leaders out but i think its highly doubtfull considering the internal security forces are on a par if not worse them Saddams boys were meaning a brutal and very nasty put down to anyone who speaks out or trys to topple this idiot in power.
Gee weez man, where did you learn Grammar? There are things like , : ; “ ‘ and a
wonderful thing called (Space). Which will do wonders in between a thing called (paragraph).
SSS-666Let’s see you prove even HALF of that. Start with the parts that I made bold.
1. The US didn’t start Somalia. That was a UN operation.
2. The US hardly started Afghanistan. How is Afghanistan a butt-whipping? I’d love to know where you pull your criteria for that from.
3. The US hardly started Vietnam. Did you fail history?
4. Getting it’s butt kicked in every war it started? That’s hilarious, really.
All those idiots are is a large nuisance, not a serious threat. Personally I’d declare war and bomb the capitals of every nation sending people to Iraq. They are committing acts of war, right?
Here is one of the links about one little girl getting blown to pieces, then shot in the head, just to
make sure.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1697825,00.html
Here are a few links to the American “torture flights” news. I think you will find that “all over
the world” would be just about right.
http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2006/04/393732.php
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=106&sid=6604589&cKey=114425168600
0
http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00002654.htm
http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/04/cia-used-private-air-carriers-to-hide.php
http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=ENGAMR510572006
http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Suspected+CIA+plane+visited+Finland+in+summer+2001/1135
219434317
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/3774909.html
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/04/06/amnestycia.shtml
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=117509
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060406.PLANES06/TPStory/National
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/National/2006/04/06/1522302-sun.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/05/AR2006040502100.html
http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=52&story_id=29054&name=US
+’used+front+companies’+to+hide+CIA+flights
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4880320.stm
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2119613,00.html
I hope these are enough links.
As for Somalia, (notwithstanding that the UN is nothing but a farce) US intervention in Somalia
was not a UN mandate, but the usual American butting in where they don’t belong. Which is
repeated every single day, in every single country and about every single aspects of that
country’s foreign and domestic policies. Here is one of the articles about the US sticking their
nose where it did not belong, as usual, and getting their butts kicked, as usual.
http://www.zmag.org/content/ForeignPolicy/zunes0117.cfm
I am surprised you are not familiar with the Vietnam conflict. The US had no business butting in
a regional conflict. The Communism phobia was a factor there. And, there are not a lot of people
that do not know about the atrocities committed by the Americans in Vietnam. From using
pesticide, as if killing insects, to napalms, as if barbequing pigs to………
You are right, the US did win in Panama. They had what………knives? And yes, the US did
manage to put a puppet government in Panama and secure the use of the Panama Canal for many
years to come. And……….yes, the US did win in the Falklands, with the help of the British. And,
they had what…………one frigate with 2 missiles. Or was it 3??
Afghanistan has a puppet leader that gives a new name to being a puppet. And not only he is one
of the drug lords, but also, he rules just one town in Afghanistan. Being the capital. The rest of
the country is ruled by the war lords. Blowing up caves and mountains with experimental
“bunker Busters” is not really a victory in a war against bare-footed men and their Kalishnicovs.
Finally, I can see that you may be found of FOX and CNN. There are NO countries sending
anybody over to Iraq. Are there people sneaking in to fight the US, hell yes. But, the Syrian
government can not do anything about it. If it were possible to stop those few sneaking in, then
why can’t the “superpower” US do it? This is Rumsfeld talk, and the whole world knows what a
laughingstock he is. The fact that the US has to resort to pointing fingers for its failures in Iraq is
in itself a sign of failure.
As for the Iranians, do they have Agents in Iraq, hell yes. And, why not? But, not one single
freedom fighter in Iraq is Iranian. Iranians want stability in Iraq, so they can start commerce and
cooperation, which will complete the Iranian’s victory in Iraq.
SSS-666I bet he has a higher IQ than Bush :rolleyes:
@SSS-666, are you VietNamese?
The guy has a Masters Degree in Mechanical Engineering, so, I think his IQ is more than 98 ^_^
SSS-666I bet he has a higher IQ than Bush :rolleyes:
@SSS-666, are you VietNamese?
No my friend, I am not.
SSS-666I suppose the tough talk is to be expected from an active duty Marine, pumped up by daily self-
acclamations.
It is not up to the US to tell the world, including Iran, what they can or can not do or have.
Iranians have shown pride and strength in the face of daily threats from the 2 most aggressive
and vicious killers in the modern times.
By being a superpower do you mean bombing mud-brick homes and killing 8 little kids and their
parents while they are eating their meagre bread and water? Or you mean torturing helpless, and
mostly innocent, men all over the planet? Or, is it turning a blind eye, along with the UN, to
shooting little boys in the back because he MAY have been on his way to throw rocks at a tank?
May be it is shooting nine-year-old girls on her way to school, because she got too close to a
fence? May be it is using F-16s to attack a Taxi and killing innocent civilians, including little girls
walking to school and eating lollipops?
A superpower wouldn’t have its butt kicked in just about every war they started, and they
have started many, even after killing 2,000,000 innocent farmers as in Vietnam, or in Beirut
(thanx to the Iranians), or in Somalia, or in Afghanistan. Wait a minute isn’t a Superpower
getting its butt kicked in a country called Iraq, by a few thousand freedom fighters?
I think one must keep in perspective that being a superpower is more than being able to shoot
down Civilian Airliners, or attack countries that are deemed to be defenceless. Who knows, may
be the Iranians have not been able to make their own Nukes, but actually have over 150 nuclear
warheads, obtained from one of those “istan” countries.
Every one of us can pick a weapon and kill tens of helpless souls. But, do we do it? NO. Because
the consequence is either our own death, or other severe punishment. Because, those around us
are not as helpless as we would like to think The same goes for a country with waaaay too much
ego, and checks it can not cash.
SSS-666Well DonClark, it is good to see you felt so strongly about this topic, that you had to register just
to place your thoughts on the record. Your info on the “sands” of the bodies of waters on this
planet is informative. As is your knowledge of photography. We need to keep in perspective that
it was Armstrong who was supposedly snapping these pics(without a view finder, or zoom).
The sand that was being pointed at here, were primarily what we see in the seas and oceans, and,
one can not leave footprint on that kind of sand And, those sands are all primarily what I said
they were. However, as difficult as it seems to be, I try to keep on the topic, and “sand” is a
small part of that topic. I get accused of not answering questions, and get yelled at for “moving
on” to the next anomaly. AND, that hurts my feelings. Baaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaa
I think NASA relied on ignorance of the 60s to pass these photos as genuine. They depict the
Moon as a sphere the size of a small asteroid with a diameter of a few hundred feet, or less. That
is why we never see more than a couple of hundred feet of ground at any time.
You know, if I crashed my plane to the ground, and lived to tell about it, every single time I took
to the skies, I would fly over the accident area and tell my passengers of the ordeal, with a great
fanfare. I would take hundreds of aerial photos and hang it in my living room for all to see.
Isn’t it odd (like just about everything else about this supposed Moon landings) that none of the
5 subsequent Apollos took pictures of the previous landing sites. I find it absolutely strange that
none of you does.
As for our observant friend, Paul the Vildebeest, even I don’t accept everything those web sites
claim as anomalous. They tend to exaggerate too much, which in turn takes away from their
credibility. But, it does not mean they are wrong about everything. Also, I am taking pics directly
from NASA’s archives.
Barnowl, there are NO dust on any part of the LM whatsoever. Not even one speck. What you
see is the grey reflection from the, perfect paint, exhaust nozzle. And as far as the exhaust
nozzle, this one in the one supposedly fired for the “descent”. The one for “assent” is above this
one and attached to the actual “pressurised” LM. This is the part supposedly left on the Moon (6
of them).
If you watch the grainy video of the Apollo 11 take off, you will see a couple of 4th of July
sparklers flash for a split second, and voila, the top part of the LM amazingly and smoothly
ascends. With the bottom half left behind. (Along with the poor soul left back on the Moon who
moved the movie camera up with the takeoff).
I am still trying to find someone who knows someone who knows someone who works in an
observatory, to take whatever close up they can take.
SSS-666Well DonClark, it is good to see you felt so strongly about this topic, that you had to register just
to place your thoughts on the record. Your info on the “sands” of the bodies of waters on this
planet is informative. As is your knowledge of photography. We need to keep in perspective that
it was Armstrong who was supposedly snapping these pics(without a view finder, or zoom).
The sand that was being pointed at here, were primarily what we see in the seas and oceans, and,
one can not leave footprint on that kind of sand And, those sands are all primarily what I said
they were. However, as difficult as it seems to be, I try to keep on the topic, and “sand” is a
small part of that topic. I get accused of not answering questions, and get yelled at for “moving
on” to the next anomaly. AND, that hurts my feelings. Baaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaa
I think NASA relied on ignorance of the 60s to pass these photos as genuine. They depict the
Moon as a sphere the size of a small asteroid with a diameter of a few hundred feet, or less. That
is why we never see more than a couple of hundred feet of ground at any time.
You know, if I crashed my plane to the ground, and lived to tell about it, every single time I took
to the skies, I would fly over the accident area and tell my passengers of the ordeal, with a great
fanfare. I would take hundreds of aerial photos and hang it in my living room for all to see.
Isn’t it odd (like just about everything else about this supposed Moon landings) that none of the
5 subsequent Apollos took pictures of the previous landing sites. I find it absolutely strange that
none of you does.
As for our observant friend, Paul the Vildebeest, even I don’t accept everything those web sites
claim as anomalous. They tend to exaggerate too much, which in turn takes away from their
credibility. But, it does not mean they are wrong about everything. Also, I am taking pics directly
from NASA’s archives.
Barnowl, there are NO dust on any part of the LM whatsoever. Not even one speck. What you
see is the grey reflection from the, perfect paint, exhaust nozzle. And as far as the exhaust
nozzle, this one in the one supposedly fired for the “descent”. The one for “assent” is above this
one and attached to the actual “pressurised” LM. This is the part supposedly left on the Moon (6
of them).
If you watch the grainy video of the Apollo 11 take off, you will see a couple of 4th of July
sparklers flash for a split second, and voila, the top part of the LM amazingly and smoothly
ascends. With the bottom half left behind. (Along with the poor soul left back on the Moon who
moved the movie camera up with the takeoff).
I am still trying to find someone who knows someone who knows someone who works in an
observatory, to take whatever close up they can take.
SSS-666Just wanted to congratulate the inventor of this dust-repellant Landing Pod. And, the painter for
painting this exhaust, with what looks like Primer, in a manner that even thousands of degrees of
heat did not even put one single heat-burn mark on his wonderful miracle paint, or primer.
I wonder how NASA managed to keep the Ants from entering this Amphitheatre. Who knows
maybe I come across a picture of the LM with a Rat in the background. (No pun intended Jonesy)
SSS-666Just wanted to congratulate the inventor of this dust-repellant Landing Pod. And, the painter for
painting this exhaust, with what looks like Primer, in a manner that even thousands of degrees of
heat did not even put one single heat-burn mark on his wonderful miracle paint, or primer.
I wonder how NASA managed to keep the Ants from entering this Amphitheatre. Who knows
maybe I come across a picture of the LM with a Rat in the background. (No pun intended Jonesy)
SSS-666So does that mean calling it the Persian Gulf is insulting to all Arabs 🙂 I thought we were supposed to be being nice to the Arabs so they didn’t fly anymore planes into buildings full of people. Oh the dilema’s never end.
Daniel
Next thing you know, they are calling the Persian Cat, Arabian Cat, and Persian Carpet, Arabian
Carpet ^_^
SSS-666http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Gulf_naming_dispute
Ken
Here are a couple of lines of inserts from the link you pointed to:
“”Since the 1960s, there has been movement in some Arab countries to refer to the Persian Gulf as the “Arabian Gulf”, and it has become an ongoing naming dispute.
In possibly every map printed before 1960 and in most modern international treaties, documents and maps, this body of water is known by the name “Persian Gulf”, reflecting traditional usage since the Greek geographers Strabo and Ptolemy, and the geopolitical realities of the time with a powerful Persian Empire (Iran) comprising the whole northern coastline and a scattering of local emirates on the Arabian coast.
Persian Gulf affirmed as the standard name by the UN and the US.
The United Nations on many occasions has requested that only Persian Gulf be used as the standard geographical designation for that body of water.
Most recently, the UN Secretariat has issued two editorial directives in 1994 and 1999 affirming the position of this organization on this matter.””
So, unless you are an Arab nationalist, the use of any name other than the PERSIAN GULF is inapropriate, and insulting to every single iranian.
SSS-666Iran wants to hit American’s bases in the Arabian gulf…
It can do it.. and this will be effective
Not sure which planet this Arabian Gulf is in. But, the one that is the topic of this thread, is called the PERSIAN GULF.
SSS-666Toy or no toy it sure does effect the balance through which US will conduct its war in gulf (if any in future). Neat gadgets coming out of the unkown. I wonder is that all or just a hint of wht is in store if USA like to venture into Iran. Comments guys?
It is the PERSIAN GULF.
thank you
SSS-666There is a far simpler explanation of the looooonnng shadow picture. It is not a shadow of the rock. It is the shadow of the flag which is out of picture.
Look at picture AS 11-40-5920 on the Apollo website – there is the shadow of the flag which matches the shadow on your photo and seems to be in the right place. Then look at the bottom right hand corner of the shadow on your picture – it is actually clearer in the original. A thin black shadow in exactly the right place to be the flag pole.
Paul
I think you are right about the flag pole. I was wrong about this shadow. Good observation in your part.
Now, explain the rest of the anomalies in that, and other, pictures, and I’ll accept being wrong about the whole think. Otherwise………this is just one explanation amongst a thousand unanswered ones.
You seem to have a good observation nack, do it again.
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