SSS-666A teapot, perchance? :D:D:D
I have not. I don’t think you fully understand the way that gravity works, though.The small force of lunar gravity would be acting with equal force on both the flag and the pole, the resulting downward force adding slightly to the friction on the joint between the two.
You may recall that I mentioned friction.
I notice you don’t argue the point about the lack of air….. I wonder why? :rolleyes:
Or a carpet ^_^
I truly don’t know what you are getting at with the gravity and the flag. And, I think there are
other areas that do not involve physics, chemistry or any other science, but only observation. The
academic stuff is not going anywhere. I would love to know why the anomalies in the photos and
the videos exist. Just a quick note that ” woops there was a mixup in the photos is not going to
cut it”.
What is the argument about the lack of air???
SSS-666I do hope you are not calling me a redneck…if you are you’re guilty of making stupid generalizations…considering you know nothing of my ethinic heritage, political beliefs or education.
And if you’re as foolish as that, why should anyone listen to your supposed rational/scientific arguments?By the way, you never did get around to answering my question of what would NASA have to do to make you believe….after all…the truth is out there.
And you never did answer the question about your alleged Navy service…or perhaps a more interesting question what you were doing in the Navy if you have a such a low opinion of the government and foreign policy? (After all, it can’t be much of a government it it lies to you…can it?) And the military, it can be argued, is the action arm of foreign policy.
(I have a guess…..)
Woha there buddy, ease up on the caffeine.
Next time you are in Oshgosh Air Show, look up, you may see me flying something.
Just a quick note that I thought you were asking if I were a Yank. And, the answer was that I was
not a Yank or a Redneck. Didn’t realise I was responding to some paranoid, low self-esteemed
somebody sitting at the edge of his seat. (With malice towards none?) Yeah right.
If you want to know about the people behind the threads, start one titled “Tell us about your
background”. I can assure you, it will be one of the more popular threads. Start with yourself.
As for you question “what NASA can do……,” I’ll skip it because I think you will just take
something I said personally and turn this thread to another one of the hundreds out there, full of
bickering and personal insults.
As for this thread, I think you have no interest in it. So, good riddens.
SSS-666I do hope you are not calling me a redneck…if you are you’re guilty of making stupid generalizations…considering you know nothing of my ethinic heritage, political beliefs or education.
And if you’re as foolish as that, why should anyone listen to your supposed rational/scientific arguments?By the way, you never did get around to answering my question of what would NASA have to do to make you believe….after all…the truth is out there.
And you never did answer the question about your alleged Navy service…or perhaps a more interesting question what you were doing in the Navy if you have a such a low opinion of the government and foreign policy? (After all, it can’t be much of a government it it lies to you…can it?) And the military, it can be argued, is the action arm of foreign policy.
(I have a guess…..)
Woha there buddy, ease up on the caffeine.
Next time you are in Oshgosh Air Show, look up, you may see me flying something.
Just a quick note that I thought you were asking if I were a Yank. And, the answer was that I was
not a Yank or a Redneck. Didn’t realise I was responding to some paranoid, low self-esteemed
somebody sitting at the edge of his seat. (With malice towards none?) Yeah right.
If you want to know about the people behind the threads, start one titled “Tell us about your
background”. I can assure you, it will be one of the more popular threads. Start with yourself.
As for you question “what NASA can do……,” I’ll skip it because I think you will just take
something I said personally and turn this thread to another one of the hundreds out there, full of
bickering and personal insults.
As for this thread, I think you have no interest in it. So, good riddens.
SSS-666SSS, aren`t you a ray of sunshine ?
One thing that is important in discovering new things is to keep an open mind!
Well, I leave this thread to you. I was hoping this thread would remain focussed on the
possibility of travelling at light speed. I figured there would be at least a few individuals versed
in Physics and Astrophysics, with at least a decent knowledge of……… hell, I don’t know why I
would think that, seeing some of the posts. Now we are going the “Para” way, and that is my
queue.
SSS-666Your explanation would make more sense were it not for the thin wire embedded in the top of the flag intended to keep it taut…
Hey there SOC, where in the hell have you been? Being one of the few that actually discusses
things, it is about time you jumped in.
I think we went over the wire thingy already. It would actually strengthen the possibility of the
flag straightening itself, after the guy stopped screwing with it. Remember, the wire is at the top,
so it stretches the material, hence, the likelihood of the flag being flat out.
But, I think we have beaten this stuff to death, and should move to other more compelling
evidence.
Did you take a look at the video showing the same mountains in two different missions, and the
Lander disappearing? I think that is very compelling evidence, to say the least.
SSS-666Your explanation would make more sense were it not for the thin wire embedded in the top of the flag intended to keep it taut…
Hey there SOC, where in the hell have you been? Being one of the few that actually discusses
things, it is about time you jumped in.
I think we went over the wire thingy already. It would actually strengthen the possibility of the
flag straightening itself, after the guy stopped screwing with it. Remember, the wire is at the top,
so it stretches the material, hence, the likelihood of the flag being flat out.
But, I think we have beaten this stuff to death, and should move to other more compelling
evidence.
Did you take a look at the video showing the same mountains in two different missions, and the
Lander disappearing? I think that is very compelling evidence, to say the least.
SSS-666The short answer is NEVER.
I assume if one is interested in the Science of Astro Physics and Astronomy, one is not into
Astrology, Palm Readings, Alchemy, Different Dimensions and Parallel Universes (String
Theory), Aliens visiting earth in spaceships (not the actual Aliens, and I don’t mean from
Mexico) and all those irrational and illogical stuff.The laws of Physics are the same throughout the Universe. And, there are no exceptions. So, to
believe in whatever that is “theoretically” possible is illogical and I believe a dead end. Hell,
even Einstein (the-one-year-genius) wasted his entire life chasing a theory which proved a waste
of time. (The theory of everything)Only energy can reach light speed. We have been able to turn matter into energy for…………..hell,
I think about 60,000 years. But, as of yet we have not been able to do vice versa. And, I don’t
think getting into Particle Accelerators will be too interesting here. Just that the formula known
to just about everybody on this planet, E=MC2, tells us that you need a massive amount of
energy(and I mean massive) to produce a tiny particle of matter. Which annihilates itself
anyway.Furthermore, even if it were possible, which is not, to go that fast in some sort of craft (which
had to be turned into energy like its occupants), the trip would be suicidal, and impractical. If I
can refer to the Star Trek series, if you have seen an episode, they show the Enterprise travelling
at Warp Speed. I think they implied the fastest the Ship could go was 10 to the power of 10
speed of light. You could see the ship travelling in an invisible “highway” with stars zooming
by, and always to the sides.Well, baloney. Not only travelling at Light Speed would end up in crashing into a solid object
sooner or later (by solid I mean even a spec of dust) and pulverising everything (Only one known
particle can travel through EVERYTHING as if nothing where there and that is Neutrinos).
But also, Because theocratically (since everything here is theoretical) if you went that fast, you
would alter the SpaceTime, from your perspective, and never get where you want to get, when.So, the answer, once again is no. Logically, Man will never travel at that speed, or even remotely
close to it. The best we can do is to send signals to our own Galaxy neighbours, and hope they
can understand what in hell we are saying. Then answer us back. That’s it.
And…………….Here they come
SSS-666Sand is a general name for pulverized rock. Therefore, the beaches on the island of La Palma for example are black, because the sand comes from the black vulcanic stones.
Nonsense, and I would advice you a few material science classes on this one. Every solid can deform both elasticly and plasticly. The latter deformation is one that cannot be undone. Plastic deformation depends on the amount of load applied on a solid and on the yield strength of the same material. In soft solid rock it won’t be to difficult to leave your footprints behind.
Can you proof it really comes down at 9.6 m/s or is it just your guess?. Note that an object on the moon falling from a height of approximately 1.5 meters still reaches 2-3 m/s at impact!
Spring-like behaviour. So what?
Well, I went back to my Material Science Class, as you advised. MSC 101 tells us that if you
leave that “elastic” material in the sun, it loses its moisture and cracks. Now, what in the hell
this have to do with anything, I have not figured yet.
As for the sand argument, when you walk on any beach, you are not walking on volcanic grinded
up rock. It is grinded sea shells. You are starting a false argument here. There may be volcanic
rocks on a beach somewhere, but the sand you walk on and leave no foot print is what I said it is.
I think, to change this “deadlocked” frame of mind, you should focus on other areas of
anomalies. And, there are so many, more blatant fakeries.
I also see a few posts that keep wondering when this thread will go away. As if someone is
compelling them to participate.
I for one, think to take pride in ones country is the duty of all citizens of that country. However,
to be backed to a corner and feel compelled to stop the possibility of exposure that a blatant lie
and false accomplishment was used to boast national prestige, is another story.
And, that, is the only reason I can think of, as to why someone, usually senior members, get in
here and want the discussion to stop. I find it amusing how some of you fire up a few personal
attacks, and then, take the moral high ground.
Why not just not participate?
As for the rest of us who want to decipher this Second Biggest Hoax, here is a “one-at-a-time”
approach. Stick to this one evidence only. Pan down 2/3rd of the way at the web site I have
attached and stop at the caption: The Hills Are Alive. Take a look at the videos and answer this,
Why does the same mountain appear at 2 different “missions,” and why at the same “mission”
the lander disappears?
SSS-666Sand is a general name for pulverized rock. Therefore, the beaches on the island of La Palma for example are black, because the sand comes from the black vulcanic stones.
Nonsense, and I would advice you a few material science classes on this one. Every solid can deform both elasticly and plasticly. The latter deformation is one that cannot be undone. Plastic deformation depends on the amount of load applied on a solid and on the yield strength of the same material. In soft solid rock it won’t be to difficult to leave your footprints behind.
Can you proof it really comes down at 9.6 m/s or is it just your guess?. Note that an object on the moon falling from a height of approximately 1.5 meters still reaches 2-3 m/s at impact!
Spring-like behaviour. So what?
Well, I went back to my Material Science Class, as you advised. MSC 101 tells us that if you
leave that “elastic” material in the sun, it loses its moisture and cracks. Now, what in the hell
this have to do with anything, I have not figured yet.
As for the sand argument, when you walk on any beach, you are not walking on volcanic grinded
up rock. It is grinded sea shells. You are starting a false argument here. There may be volcanic
rocks on a beach somewhere, but the sand you walk on and leave no foot print is what I said it is.
I think, to change this “deadlocked” frame of mind, you should focus on other areas of
anomalies. And, there are so many, more blatant fakeries.
I also see a few posts that keep wondering when this thread will go away. As if someone is
compelling them to participate.
I for one, think to take pride in ones country is the duty of all citizens of that country. However,
to be backed to a corner and feel compelled to stop the possibility of exposure that a blatant lie
and false accomplishment was used to boast national prestige, is another story.
And, that, is the only reason I can think of, as to why someone, usually senior members, get in
here and want the discussion to stop. I find it amusing how some of you fire up a few personal
attacks, and then, take the moral high ground.
Why not just not participate?
As for the rest of us who want to decipher this Second Biggest Hoax, here is a “one-at-a-time”
approach. Stick to this one evidence only. Pan down 2/3rd of the way at the web site I have
attached and stop at the caption: The Hills Are Alive. Take a look at the videos and answer this,
Why does the same mountain appear at 2 different “missions,” and why at the same “mission”
the lander disappears?
SSS-666“Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.” – Newton’s First Law Of Motion.
There’s no air resistance, so the only force acting to stop the motion of the flag will be the friction of the loose joint between the flag and the pole hence the steady oscillation of the flag.
Far from being proof of a hoax, this is actually quite strong evidence in favour of the Moon landings – the flag would only behave in this way in a total or near vacuum.
Pretty fundamental science, this. 😎
Hey, thanx for the elementary school refresher course.
You may have overlooked something here. A thing called Gravity.
Remember, we are not talking about the space. You state that
the ONLY force acting to stop the motion was friction. The gravity
in fact would be the strongest force pulling the flag “down,” and
hence, forcing it to stop oscillating, as you put it.
AND, YES, it in fact IS pretty “fundamental” science.
SSS-666“Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it.” – Newton’s First Law Of Motion.
There’s no air resistance, so the only force acting to stop the motion of the flag will be the friction of the loose joint between the flag and the pole hence the steady oscillation of the flag.
Far from being proof of a hoax, this is actually quite strong evidence in favour of the Moon landings – the flag would only behave in this way in a total or near vacuum.
Pretty fundamental science, this. 😎
Hey, thanx for the elementary school refresher course.
You may have overlooked something here. A thing called Gravity.
Remember, we are not talking about the space. You state that
the ONLY force acting to stop the motion was friction. The gravity
in fact would be the strongest force pulling the flag “down,” and
hence, forcing it to stop oscillating, as you put it.
AND, YES, it in fact IS pretty “fundamental” science.
SSS-666I have read about some experimental device in Australia that has managed to send out an electron on one end and catch up the same electron on the other end – in a time that was prior to the time of actual sending out. So we basically already managed that.. 😉 OK, local time warp not considered 😉
What you are referring to is called “tunnelling”. I read about it in the Scientific American Mag a
few years ago. And yes, it implies that a Particle went through a “tunnel” and emerged at the
other end before it went through.
SSS-666You called yourself a ‘psychopath’, not me. Shows we are a little, how shall we say, insecure?
You are welcome to your beliefsm much as I am welcome to mine. Now I haven’t spent the last three days trying to indoctrinate you or to make you see the light, so why are you doing it to me?
Psychopath? Not at all.
Misguided? I’ll leave that to you to decide.
Regards,
kev35
Wow, I am taken aback, and suddenly challenged by you.
SSS-666You called yourself a ‘psychopath’, not me. Shows we are a little, how shall we say, insecure?
You are welcome to your beliefsm much as I am welcome to mine. Now I haven’t spent the last three days trying to indoctrinate you or to make you see the light, so why are you doing it to me?
Psychopath? Not at all.
Misguided? I’ll leave that to you to decide.
Regards,
kev35
Wow, I am taken aback, and suddenly challenged by you.
SSS-666How long do u think it will be before mankind is able to travel faster than light. What would be the tech that would need to be mastered besides propulsion.
The short answer is NEVER.
I assume if one is interested in the Science of Astro Physics and Astronomy, one is not into
Astrology, Palm Readings, Alchemy, Different Dimensions and Parallel Universes (String
Theory), Aliens visiting earth in spaceships (not the actual Aliens, and I don’t mean from
Mexico) and all those irrational and illogical stuff.
The laws of Physics are the same throughout the Universe. And, there are no exceptions. So, to
believe in whatever that is “theoretically” possible is illogical and I believe a dead end. Hell,
even Einstein (the-one-year-genius) wasted his entire life chasing a theory which proved a waste
of time. (The theory of everything)
Only energy can reach light speed. We have been able to turn matter into energy for…………..hell,
I think about 60,000 years. But, as of yet we have not been able to do vice versa. And, I don’t
think getting into Particle Accelerators will be too interesting here. Just that the formula known
to just about everybody on this planet, E=MC2, tells us that you need a massive amount of
energy(and I mean massive) to produce a tiny particle of matter. Which annihilates itself
anyway.
Furthermore, even if it were possible, which is not, to go that fast in some sort of craft (which
had to be turned into energy like its occupants), the trip would be suicidal, and impractical. If I
can refer to the Star Trek series, if you have seen an episode, they show the Enterprise travelling
at Warp Speed. I think they implied the fastest the Ship could go was 10 to the power of 10
speed of light. You could see the ship travelling in an invisible “highway” with stars zooming
by, and always to the sides.
Well, baloney. Not only travelling at Light Speed would end up in crashing into a solid object
sooner or later (by solid I mean even a spec of dust) and pulverising everything (Only one known
particle can travel through EVERYTHING as if nothing where there and that is Neutrinos).
But also, Because theocratically (since everything here is theoretical) if you went that fast, you
would alter the SpaceTime, from your perspective, and never get where you want to get, when.
So, the answer, once again is no. Logically, Man will never travel at that speed, or even remotely
close to it. The best we can do is to send signals to our own Galaxy neighbours, and hope they
can understand what in hell we are saying. Then answer us back. That’s it.
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