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Thank you for the very detailed essay.

Regards

Read this article about lies and fake news regarding current pak-ind crisis.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/opinion/india-pakistan-news.html
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With all due respect. I do not care what Pakistani sympathisers and or citizens/western media who supports Pakistani position have to say. Concurrently that is the position taken by Government of India as well and its about time. Good day.

This was not a dig at you, rather my frustration with general news.

I think the mistake made by India was to make their claim too elaborate. Which made it easier to be picked apart.
The journalist who came up with the story about PAF pilot being Air Marshal’s son and being lynched by an angry mob to death, has now retracted his story. Kudos to him for accepting he made an error.

https://twitter.com/praveenswami/sta…018084352?s=19

As they say, keep it simple!

The only thing Indians are now putting their claim and credibility on is the discrepancy between the first announcement of number of pilots and the formal statement by Pakistanis.

If this is a legit tweet, then respect to Mr Swami for accepting the new facts. This is what journalism should be about.

ps. Get ready for further indian analyses of satellite images, with real or imagined holes in the roof of potential target/s. Previously we heard about the extent of damage a 2000lb bomb would cause. Now I’m hearing chatter about holes, precision of the strike, 300 mobile phone signals gone off, and everything else but concrete evidence of 300 deaths. There are also suggestions that such evidence never comes out, it takes years before it is released. I hope this is a lesson for all those who jump on the bandwagon of fake news.

I am beggining to doubt the SU-30 shoot down, why no evidence? Even if it was an F-16 that did it, surely by staying in Pak air space we were within our rights?

Also does this not leave India in a blind? IAF denied PAF entered their air space, now they claim F-16s did. It is just one wave of BS after another from these guys….

As pointed out by a number of ex AF pilots, India should be able to put more evidence on the table if they did manage to shoot down an F-16. But the same principle applies to PAF. They should be able to present the evidence for MKI shoot down, e.g. HUD, radio recordings etc. While we will keep getting fake news, I am afraid, real evidence (if any) is unlikely to be revealed anytime soon. Until then, armchair warriors can have a field day and each side can keep propagating their own story.

Yup, and some of the reasons the actual Indian Media are putting out there for the absence of damage are

1) The Pak Army rebuilt the buildings really quickly (in which case I need to get those boys to work on my 3rd floor extension)
2) The 1,000 pound SPICE bombs were designed to just enter, make a small whole and “evaporate” everyone in the building without damaging it

I am not making up the above, Indian defence “analysts” and media have been mentioning the above. Some serious sh*t being smoked these days….

I have seen such claims, and one can only laugh at those making such claims, or those allowing such claims to propagate. I just saw a programme on Indian ABP news which presented 8 solid pieces of evidences to support killing of 250-300 terrorists . Amongst those included gems such as Pakistani opposition’s demand to call an emergency session of parliament or pakistan’s response to that aggression (violation of a country’s sovereignty does not seem to factor in Indian calculations), use of a very expensive jet like F-16 in PAF strike (may be that is why WC Abhinandan was sent in a Bison), and IAF chief’s presser (absolutely no claim of the number of death). The crown jewel was some sermon by Masood Azhar’s brother (no timestamp) in which he asks his followers to respond to Indian aggression. The conclusion was ”do not insult your armed forces” by questioquestioningovt.

I give up.

Conclusive evidence that IAF hit only trees in a forest:

Satellite images show madrasa buildings still standing at scene of Indian bombing

​​​​​​https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1QN00V

Two possibilities.

1. IAF missed its targets and gave Modi govt the wrong info.
2. India wanted to convey a symbolic message, IAF hit their intended targets, but Modi govt, in its haste, decided to cash in on IAF success for political success.

Based on the available evidence, I think the second scenario is more likely. The evidence from the Indian side so far includes a few statements from people affiliated with Modi govt and some social media chatter, the authenticity of which cannot be verified. It is up to our Indian friends to ask their PM about this (and perhaps the Rafale remark), but in “new India” it seems that one might risk getting labelled as a traitor for asking such questions.

Something worth mentioning. Apology if this has already been mentioned before.

Previously we discussed the number of casualties in Indian strikes on Balacot, and some indian friends pointed out, and rightly so, that no Indian official had put an actual number to this. All we had was Indian foreign secretary’s statement in which he claimed a very large number of terrorists were killed in airstrikes. On Sunday, however, the BJP supremo, Amit Shah, put an actual number to it during an election rally in Gujrat. More than 250. IAF has already told us it is not their job to count the number of dead in such ops. Some voices in india have also started to question Indian govt narrative on this, and BJP leaders are visibly irked by such questions in recent TV programmes and have attacked their political opponents in rallies, questioning their trust in armed forces (strange because armed forces have said nothing about the number of casualties or fatalities in these strikes) or accusing them of aiding pakistan. One hopes that BJP leadership will come clean soon (hopefully before elections) where they are getting their numbers from.