Did i?
If that’s RSS type mentality, then would the above be madrassa type mentality; secretly wishing that there was a caliphate in Pakistan? Oh wait, there is already a caliphate
Could b so…if such things existed in UK.
To,
A rattled Pakistani,
A wrong assumption genrally leads to wrong conclusions.
With MKIs,LCAs,& M2K5 it is a possibility. Hal is currently building 40 Jags as we speak. I mean 125 M2K5s+ 190-200 Su-30Mki+40 jags+ upg mig -27s + LCAs…. it might just happen.If not 60 then 55, but rest assured the squadron strenght will increase rapidly.
Perhaps u need to read the article a bot more carefully. It mentioned phasing out of mig-27s by over next decade (though i cant c how).
Anyway, add up all the numbers…and tell us how can u have 60 squadrons (1,080 fighters assuming 16+2 per squadron) or even 55 over next decade??? Ur ACM said so…didnt he? So unless u can show us how…one can only assume either Mr KrishnaSwamy doesnt know wot he’s talking about or is not really aware of the ground realities.
Are we talking about the same system in which Generals refuse to accept the bodies of their own soldiers? I think think the widows would definately not like such a system.
a good indicator of pathetic RSS type mentality.
If the PAF wants a new fighter they should ask the US about acquiring some of these aircraft…
…we have plenty of them sitting in storage, will offer them cheap and they are far more advanced than anything you’ll find in the current PAF inventory.
A word of advice.
The way Iraq war is eating up resources and the oil prices r soaring, u might as well keep them. May come in handy sometime in future.
PS. Without all the help from same Pakistan, u would probably still b dealing with the old evil empire…and the notion of hyperpower would probably still b unborn.
I think that the PAF long ago realized that ambiguity and rumour mongering are its best weapons when the cupboard is bare.
IAF would simply have two choices.
1. To assume that PAF’s claims r correct and prepare for all eventualities.
2. To assume that cupboard is bare and not to prepare for anything.
Now suppose a conflict happens. If PAF’s cupboard is indeed as empty as u claim it to b while IAF has prepared…dat would simply waste quite a few precious resources. OTOH, if cupboard turns out to contain a few things and IAF havent prepared that would mean more losses.
Hope u see the advanatges of ambiguity. Another AF which uses this method rather well and to their great advanatage is PLAAF. 😉
Perhaps that should be the epitaph written on Pakistani democracy, let it not be so on the Indian one.
Look around the globe.
No one is perfect.
But let me remind us all once again. This is a military aviation forum…so lets keep it that way.
I didnt know this was an economy fourm.
Not sure wots wrong with it.
But ppl r using the following as a replacement for the time being at least.
http://www.pakarmedforces.com/
About the IAF and AJT, don’t mistake the Govt caused delay with IAF inaction. The military in India doesn’t have control over its own pursestrings nor is it the ultimate decision making body. Unlike other nations, where absolute power rests with the military… at least with a handful of people at the top echelons thereof.
Then stop blaming PAF. When it comes to aquisitions of weapons, its largely determined by affordability and availability.
PS. Widows of poor mig-21 pilots woulnnt mind a system where the power rests with few.
What makes you think that the Pakistanis voluntarily giving Chinese stuff to the US to examine is the only way?
They have been trying to stop Pak’s nuke programme since 1980s. Isnt pak an open nuke power right now???
Some areas r go, others r possibly go while some r no go.
It is undeniable that Pakistan right now has a large number of US intel assets; HUMINT, SIGINT, etc. These can be as easily trained on Pakistan itself as well as the terrorist networks they are purportedly for.
True.
But to keep them in Pak, they need to have significant leverage on Pakistan (and pakistani armed services). How do u think they would maintain it???
Of the various (conventional) equipment that Pakistan has recieved from China, can you tell me what is the most sophisticated piece of equipment Pakistan has acquired? Serious question.
Check Sipri database for that.
In terms of aviation, China has recently started to make impressive breakthrough and with time u’d c wot PAF gets and doesnt get.
PS. International relations r not ur everyday domestic problems.
Its really Sad that these are the only things Your ACMs,Presidents,PrimeMinisters do and have been doing so since the 90s. The only thing they are good at now is giving interviews. The current PAF acm has gone on step further by now saying that the PAF is actively looking at the J-10. Tell you what, instead of giving silly interviews, they should go ahead and acquire a decent fighter aircraft b’cause your Pgs, F-16A/Bs,Mirages and A-5s don’t stand a chance against the likes of the MKIs,M2k,Mig-29s,Jaguars,Bisons……
Silly?
OK…for the sake of the argument, lets admit PAF is purely mouthy and no action.
Now Mr proud of the Orange,white and green take a good look at the follwoing article and the date (8 Nov 2003)
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/nov08/n10.asp
Would u care to explain to us how would IAF expand from 39.5 squadrons to 60 squadrons over the next decade (by 2013 dat is) while they r planning to retire most of their Mig-21s by then. We admit that IAF is all about action (though it took them 20 years to get AJT in spite of the fact that their coffin making business was thriving), give us the basis on which ACM who im sure is also proud of orange, white and green, is basing his predictions???
The US and most Western countries do not want to sell it hitech stuff due to fear of Chinese gaining access to those technologies.
Absolutely wrong.
French r trying their best to get that arms embargo lifted from china. They would love to sell their most sophisticated weapons to that massive market which at present is getting everything from Russia. US is simply trying to play a balanced character…with the hope of getting into Indian market and use them to contain china in future. OTOH, French r hoping to get massive deals from india (M2K-5 and scorpenes0 and hence the hesitancy.
Yet, the Chinese also can’t supply the Pakistanis with their top of the line stuff either with Pakistan virtually saturated with US intel assets.
This is a dream.
If Pak doesnt get a western hi tech fighter-and it probably wont-u’ll see J-10 in PAF colours sooner than u imagine.
A militarily stronger pakistan is very much in chinese interests…and while they can let china have a look at american stuff, it will never happen the other way round for obvious reasons.
No doubt Gripen meets many PAF requirement-its cheap (compared to other wetsren aircrafts) and a true hi tec aircraft. However, the question once again is of availability. If Swedes dont allow a deal, then J-10 it would be…which may b less mature, less sophisticated (compared to western hi tech fighter) but would allow PAF to become largely free of western monopoly and sanctions…something many in pak armed service would welcome.
Military forums always seem better if u keep politics out of them. 🙂
According to defence ministry permanent secretary Trust Maphosa, six of the jets could arrive in Zimbabwe this week. Reports say the aircraft include the FC-1 (Fighter China 1)
Doesnt sound like FC-1 :confused:
However, sundaytimes report (second one) is clearer and seems more credible.