CIRRUSAre you Mad? or Just completely picky!
I am rather amazed at your statements. I can understand that you visited just one of the food areas available. There is unless I am mistaken at least two food areas (a proper cafeteria) with toilets attached. There are also two real ( not mobile one arm bandits ~ in that you open the door and luck takes over if you need boots, waders an environmental hazard unit on call let alone if it has toilet roll!) toilet areas. I am sure Old Warden can not be held responsible completely for the actions of certain users who still struggle to come to terms with using toilets or urinals!
I have, and it is only a personal thing, found the food to be representative of the standards one would expect of such events. I have also found that the queues at peak times are rather less than those found at Silverstone, Duxford or IAT ~ Which by the way are often independant vendors ~ Have you ever tried to get into Duxford’s Cafe on a Display Day ~ Nightmare! I have on reflection also seen several vendors selling/offering their wares at Old Warden as well.
Let us not forget, we make the choice of what food we want and the times that we eat it at. As for the toilets lets be fare and say the public has a lot to do with their state ~ but they are real and not portable ones.
Why not praise Shuttleworth for its unique Collection, the superb displays, the value for money, the commitment of its ever friendly voluntary people, maybe even offer offer your services to the collection and as a volunteer to help clean the toilets on a rota basis ~ even set and help promote the standards we expect of all those others who fail to meet the standards of common decency.
OK so I am on my orange box ~ constructive criticism and not winges please.
CIRRUSMoan Moan Moan
Fancy that Freedom of speach allowing you to have a moan!
Heaven forbid should a forum not be available for people to openly and without malevolence express their views and respond to others.
Lets hear it for the forum and all its contributors, whatever their individual views;) 😉 😉 Lets hear for individualism 😎
AND
Lets not hear any more about the Sea Vixen, I think that has just about been done to death now! Better still lets both hear and see it fly so we can all make our own individual opinions on whether we like it or not ~ To hell with George Orwell and 1984, To hell with the oppressive state and three cheers for individuality and the individuals right and freedom of speach AND yes moaning:cool:
Pass me another large Vodka and a can of Red Bull (I need to clean my engine and support aviation).
CIRRUSSea Hawks
Getting back to the original thread, I have no idea about the Sea Hawk other than I can’t wait to see it fly again. I wonder with all the desires for mad paint schemes on classic jets if they would repaint it in the Royal Navy ALL RED colour scheme they pioneered with its displays at Farnborough!
No I am not drinking Red Bull.
CIRRUSAIRCRAFT TO SAVE
How about the TSR2 and the pinacle of evolution and the death knell for UK aviation that it represents.
A MOSQUITO for definate (the adage of if it looks good definately applies) not forgetting its many roles. My only disappointment is that we do not have an airworthy HORNET
In years to come THE HARRIER as everybody forgets in the wake of the JSF
CIRRUSCONTRAPROPS
A designer in two minds invented the contraprop (pushing) for early aircraft and the contrascrew (pulling) for later ones!
But seriously several of the earlier ill fated helicopter concepts had contr-rotaing propellers (blades), arms, planks of wood, model aircraft wings attached to two different shafts.
Focke-Angelis Fa 223 with the vertical application of the original Wright Brothers concept (1936) and the same might be said of Fa61 an it s hovering in confined spaces much to the delight and abject horror of many people in German Sports stadiums. For the French there was the Bregeut-Dorand 314 (1935). Certainly the Macchi MC.72 which set a new World Air Speed record in 1934.
How about Badgleys 1879 Air ship design powered by a Steam Engine? How about Ferber in 1902 (OK so he is French! and I hear the retort how about Ferber, Who?) Did the XB-35 have contraprops? I believe it did. The Shackleton etc …
CIRRUSThe Flying Billboard aka Sea-Vixen
I hear all the arguments, including some very attractive paint jobs for Red Bull a ‘fauel additive’ :rolleyes: on commercial airliners and GA aircraft, not forgetting the F1 Car. Very Nice indeed.
I just dont much care for the scheme applied to the Sea-Vixen ~ thats it really.
Forgetting all the other practical arguments of cost and sponsorship, the CAA and their rules, notwithstanding all the other numerous Warbirds (and it certainly is one of them) with paint schemes more akin to its history. I just think that it looks like an escapee from Captain Scarlet or Thunderbirds ~ If that gets kids interested in our AVIATION HERITAGE (thank you moggy id advance for your undoubted response ~ ps How about all that nose art then? BRILLIANT ~ the twilight years of active service and still a sense of humour persists). Funny looking girl on the Tornado and unlike most other nose, or should I say fuselage art, she is fully clothed! How very PC of the artists recognising the insult that our Muslim friends might take, let alone his wife, girlfriend or boyfriend when the pilot returns home (non gender specific remark, despite the MOD’s beliefs).
Nonetheless, it will be an absolute delight to see CVIX back in the air again and hopefully at considerably more shows this year. I will delight in the sight and sound of this aircraft, Wince at its clothing and clean the camera and save film in the process. But, I will still be delighted to see him/her (PC correct) in the air.
As for Kemble, sorry I am at College, BUT like Lemble and Coventry please everybody GO they are brilliant shows that break the mould and are a positive delight.
Three cheers for all the people involved in getting and displaying the Sea-Vixen. A rotten smelly sock for the Red Bull crew and their paint job. Three cheers for Red Bull though on their continuing support of aviation; But please YUKY paint jobs on civil aircraft (GA and Airliners and of course F1 Cars) and nice period paint jobs on military ones, Alpha Jets and L-39’s exempt.
At the end of the day if it supports and promotes aviation I am all for it, one thought though if the Vulcan opens its bomb bay to display an advertising banner is it fulfilling its role by bombing the crowd the audience with something unwanted (not unlike a bomb). Maybe the bomb bay thing is the manufacturer, sponsor actually perversely allowing the aircraft to carry on its service role!
Three Cheers for Red Bull (not the drink or paint job!), Three cheers for the Sea-Vixen and any Airshow organiser that books her. A rousing F**T though for not allowing the public flogging of the persons responsible for the scheme during the display routines.:) 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
CIRRUSThe Flying Billboard aka Sea-Vixen
Moggy
No the mosquito was an aeroplane beyond its time. It rates in my book above a long list of other aircraft.
The Sea Vixen was the pinacle of the twin boom evolution of products from DeHavilland albeit in its dying gasps.
What would happen if somebody painted a flying mosquito (Kermit Weeks please do not take a hint ~ OUCH!!!) in the Red Bull colours. Personally I believe somebody would come up with a balsa seeking shoulder launched ground to air missile.
If you want to paint aircraft in garish colours then follow the American example and paint Starfighters and Migs in those colour schemes.
CIRRUSThe Flying Billboard aka Sea-Vixen
Can’t post Czechs or Poles what in the name of Blue Yonder is going on. Anyway I’m Hungary for a Pole pop (or should that have been POT) and I will czech what is needed while I am russian around trying to find something I am Kenyan on.
At this point I need to leave for further medication as I have exceeded my daily quota of allowable groans to be used.
Thank you and everybody else for their views, it been very interesting for my first outing into this forum. I must visit more often.:)
If somebody knows how to create a poll then please raise one, I would love my one vote for Sea-Vixen love it, Hate it or just simply believe it is YUK.:)
CIRRUSThe Flying Billboard aka Sea-Vixen
Moggy sorry I could not without much research show that the Vixen is greater than just the Vixen it is the pinacle of that once great organisation called DeHavilland. Lets hear a rousing F**T for the consolidation of the aerospace industry.:rolleyes:
I’m also sorry that I was unable to provide you with high speed nuclear bombers flitting all over the free World in order to leave a nuclear calling card just to provide a justification for the Sea Vixen.
On the other hand the whole concept of Mutually Assured Destruction and the madness of the cold war rather escapes me so I wont use that as another reason for its justification.
I am sure that many a Naval aviator might disagree with your views, equally by the same token a few that might.
As I said in my opening remarks it is my view, albeit one of the great unwashed and unworthy, nonetheless enjoying the freedom of speech that the cold war stood for and the Sea-Vixen was their to support should it ever have been needed.
Ah well onto the next thread, Buffy, Angel, Body painted Kylie Minogue or JLo as mobile advertising using that part of the anatomy Helen Tempest was eluded to before in one of your previous responses. Maybe that should be another thread?:cool:
CIRRUSIn direct response for a requirement for a powerful radar equipped all weather fighter the various manufactures responded to a joint Royal Navy, RAF requirement. The Meteor and Venom were getting long in the tooth and the edge was needed over the Hunter. In the subsequent competition the Sea Vixen an evolution of the ill-fated DH.110 which lost favour with the RAF after one parked amongst the crowd in pieces at Farnborough. The RAF followed the Javellin and the Royal Navy followed the Sea Vixen. In the FAW.1 version it entered RN service in the summer of 1959 before being retired in the FAW2 version in 1971.
Inbetween it served off our aircraft carriers participating in two conflicts Indonesia and Aden.
This supersonic fleet defence fighter was of the same mould breaking, computer and electronic generation as the Delta Dagger and Delta Darts. This tur all missile fighter used both the Firestreak and Red Top missiles.
I believ it was also used extensively in the trials for the vc-10 tanker ~ not a huge reason but yet another element in its history. The aircraft was significant in our aviation heritage and not of USA with our subsequent purchase of the phantom.
I think it is a fundamental part of our aviation heritage, a fundamental part of the Fleet Air Arms History and the ultimate lineage of the DeHavilland name and twin boom fighter that started of with the vampire, venom DH.110 before becoming the Sea Vixen.:p
CIRRUSThe Flying Billboard aka Sea-Vixen
Picking up on the point, and offering a new string, being made by Moggy, how about body painting Kylie in this scheme?
It was interesting to see Concorde some years ago waer the Pepsi scheme in very fast disappearing paint and sunsonically to boot. It would have been nice to think that the Sea-vixen would have been fortunate enough to have suffered the same fate. A very quick change of clothes.
As for plastic bags, the film Pretty woman springs to mind (Ok I’m in touch with my femine side) aka the screen version of Elisa Doolittle does Hollywood, or was that Debbie?
A woman dressed in nice and smart and not garish clothes always wins for me, although they say never judge a book by its cover we are all judgemental to some degree.
I do enjoy some wacky paint schemes, but the Mr Bloody JP of old and this current Sea-vixen scheme I simply do not like. No matter what we think the Sea-Vixen is a fundamental part of our aviation heritage. One that through the years we should be proud of, in what it stands for and the bravery and commitment of many people.
What would happen if you came home and you found your wife, or girlfriend walking down the street in plastic bags ~ dont answer that I have just remembered what I got up to in the Punk era, when Warbirds when an anachronism, or was that an anathema?:confused: 😮 🙂
CIRRUSThe Flying Billboard aka Sea-Vixen
The argument is that it is really a travesty to paint an aircraft of such unique nature in this paint scheme, well at least that is my premise. We have explored and recognised the arguments over sponsorship etc… So the point being teased at here is whether a degree of conservatism and respect could be applied that would match both advertsiing and aviation heritage on a position of almost half-way ground. Sometimes compromise rather than the excited in yer face paint scheme applied, not unlike meeting somebody suffering from the effects of Red Bull, might be more appropriate.
Look Son/Daughter that is the magnificent Sea-Vixen. But Dad did we really fly billboards from aircraft carriers? I thought we only advertised with banner dragging planes? I didn’t realise the military did that as a part of their mission ~ Cool!
Oh I know the Royal Navy had to find a sponsor for its new supercarriers as a part of the public finanace initiative!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: 😎
How about a little respect for this unique aircraft if nothing else?;) 😉
CIRRUSThe Flying Billboard aka Sea-Vixen
Red bull is a drink and not a fuel adative for an engine!!!!:rolleyes: :confused: 🙂
It works well when mixed with Vodka, it enables you to get blind drunk and still stay awake to appreciate it 😀 😎 , then it keeps you awake to regret it 😮 😡 :confused:
Anyway I keep thinking I must be drunk everytime I see the colour scheme of this aircraft 🙁 🙂 🙂
Enough of this free advertsing for commercially and physically damaging products.
CIRRUSThe Flying Billboard aka Sea-Vixen
I wish I could afford to sponsor this magnificent plane, but I am part of the financially great unwashed:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
The point I was trying to make was constraint and a degree of understanding towards this unique aircraft, maybe even a little respect.;) 😉
I know that sponsorship is incredibly elusive and comes unfortunately at a price. The question is what price:confused:
I just hope that in this scheme that it will not detract people from booking an airborne advertising awning (aerobatic aircraft excluded ~ as I view them as a different animal).
I would just have liked the SEA-Vixen to have appeared in a more conservative, Royal Navy pseaudo scheme. Even if the Pseudo scheme was in Red Bull corporate colours with the lower surfaces used for advertsing as a compromise.:) 🙂
CIRRUSThe Flying Billboard aka Sea-Vixen
Well as paint jobs go for a large can of red bull it is very nice. BUT not on this aircraft. If it was to be used in the Thunderbirds movie or yet another Austin Powers movie I could understand it. BUT this just rates as a huge YUK on the richter scale 🙁 🙁
I now that the almighty £, $, Euro rules, but a degree of constraint could have been employed :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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