halloweeneDefinitions from AdA : availabilability : full capabilty at instant t (able to perform any mission
Partial availability some minorations of mission spectrum
Technical availability :
unavailable : repairs, maintenance, overhaul, upgrade (the M 1-12 Rafale were included in your table), storage (so as to adjust the number of flight hours between planes within a squadron)
Wihin this pool one can find the technical availability : able to perform missions after a few hour of mantenance/ conditioning.
Spucman, you already know that, you were many times spanked on the subject by OPIT.
Edi, your french bashing is getting really ryting.No my bad of your F-2000 are just excellent for making rounds in the air above the sea… but AGAIN this is wrong thread. Switch to RAfale one if you want to talk about RAfale.
halloweeneYes. I guess not a high ranked politician (we would know), but a high ranked executive from Rafale group? Happily, the pilot selected the right switch (separed ejection)
halloweeneOverall, the Fr fighter aircraft reached 44% availability in 2018. The Rafale having a slightly lower rate than the M2K. This was discussed already in the Rafale Thread where should lies a bunch or related documents.
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To the above values; one should add the low availability of essential items like targeting pods that are also quite depressing (the document linked below mentions the 50% readiness rate for the Thalios pod from Thales).
For those that don’t know their probability laws the Math say that the combined 50% availability of two systems would lead to something available 1/4th of the time. Yes, you understand right: for a single laser strike mission of 2 aircraft required to hit simultaneously two different targets (how original is this?!), you’ll have to ready 8 aircraft fitted with their pods…
Source:
French parliament
unproper topic
halloweeneIn case context is needed, the last report for Rafale B&C readiness rate was 48.5% in 2015 with spiraling operational costs increasing by 30%.
In perspective, Rafale C achieved IOC in 2006, the F-35A in 2016.
Readiness or operational readiness? Different metrics in France. If you want an operational case context, see Libya instead. (e.g.). It’s been discused ad nauseam but should better be placed in Rafale thread no?
halloweeneHuge order of F-18 E/F from Navy (78)
halloweeneOf course there will be improvements. i do not deny it. And yes they participated to operations. Still i would like the calculus N° of flight hours/plane/day. I may be wrong but i think it was less than an hour from memory.
halloweene75% MCR, ok, but how many/long/ flights/day/aircraft? Funny how some emphasize convenient watchdogs but trash others.
halloweenedefine 5th gen engine?
E jet, with its simple architecture, is an excellent high speed high altitude engine. Otherwise, lack of inlet guided vane (variable geometry) make of it a “single task” oriented engine.
halloweeneI did not mean, in ANY way, to show disrespect towards italian soldiers. I fought aside them and never had to complain. It is not them that bribed war thugs.It is the government after a casualty (a sub leutenant afair). Problem is that same gov. forgot to mention it to their successors.
So please no offense meant to italian soldiers. But we’re off topic no?
I simply expressed my doubts about Italy financing both F- 35 and tempest. (aswell as Uk)
halloweeneI read the full report days ago. And many Joshi papers. Most of them look LSD driven. rFor the sake of the thread i will not link the latest news about Christian Michel… and Ghandi family corruption in favor of EF..And SAAB leverae over the same family due to Bofors.
halloweeneWhat follows in this three-part analysis is a contextualized and accessible retelling of the report on the Rafale order, explaining how an acquisition process was manipulated at every stage and the system played to the advantage of a single company from the year 2000.
Anything, as long as it’s French Very briefly, the IAF first tried to get a French fighter — the Mirage 2000, without a contest. Three times.
But they were forced to hold a contest according to the rules. This time, there was a new French fighter in the contest, the Rafale, the successor to the Mirage 2000.
The new French fighter was kicked out three times, according to the rules. Each time, the French fighter was brought back into the contest.
Four of the six competing aircraft could have easily beaten the Rafale on price. These four aircraft were thrown out of the contest for nebulous and unconvincing technical reasons.
Only two aircraft now remained in the contest. The Rafale and the Eurofighter. The only way the Rafale could win would be to beat the Eurofighter bid on cost comparison.
The interpretation of the cost was fixed to make the Eurofighter, appear more expensive and the French fighter was announced the cheaper ‘L1’ bid.
But it didn’t end there.
A deal was simply impossible because it became clear that the French fighter was simply not L1, or the cheaper aircraft. Nor did the French have any intention of allowing the aircraft to be built in India.
The defence ministry finally, officially admitted this conclusion. But only two weeks after this, a request was announced for 36 Rafale fighters. Two months later, the MMRCA tender was cancelled.
Why Rafale, again? Because Rafale was ‘L1’ said the government. Even though it actually, really wasn’t.
full report here by Saurabh Joshi
Part-1 #RafaleScam: The CAG’s History How the game was fixed for the French fighter
Part 3 #RafaleScam: The Crucial Date The date reveals what was known, to whom, and when
calling saurabh joshi an analyst is a very far fetched compliment. Clown would fit much better.
halloweeneFor those who consider F-358 as a nimble plane. Powerful? Yes. Agile? Just compare. time to bank, roll rate etc.
Bat turn at 4 mins…
So as to compare…
halloweeneA little less nationalistic ranting would be appreciated from both of you.
Italy did. Revealed in march 2009 by the Times. They paid pizzo and barely left their Tora base afer one casualty (they were forbidden to go north to the main road, more or less at the level of the barrage, and it has nothing to do with the quality of italian troops).But it is another topic that should not be discussed here.(https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/mo…an_794782.html)
French SF also. First 1st RPIMA (A1) then CPA10 (A3) and commandos marine . All of our army is going for it, (102000 already ordered).
Back to topic?.
halloweeneConsidering the regular spanking F-2000 gets vs Rafale (even if, as ever, there should be some Eurofightr victories) AND the “amphi cockpit” i had on both types AND informations given by Peter F Collins, there’s a world of difference in termes of HMI and situational awareness where the one and only point where rafale lackED i: HMD. Corrected.
Apart from that, real data fusion (EF do not have),AESA (EF do not have), Spectra leagues above spartan (interferometric detection, IR MAWS etc. etc.) See results of swiss eval for example… Very talkative.
They have Gazelle with Milan,Panhardt,Famas,Transall and Tigers with 10% availability
Either check your numbers and cite right ones or shut up please.
Your famous SF are definitely good soldier, but not enough to be considered as “leading nation” by NATO (only US, UK and FR are)
Not to talk of your politicians/jigh rank officers paying pizzo in Surobi , buying quietness instead of doing the job, but forgetting to mention they did. Taliban chiefs expected the same from your successors hence an ambush kiling10 french sodiers (+ 20 injured). (with a huge fault from the captain one must admit).
So no NATO do not consider Italy as a “first in” neitheras a SF leading nation. Not my fault.
Our forces may not have a great servicability, but it is due to intense use in external operations. They are not parade only solciers.
You nationalistic rantings are tiring. The subject here is financing the tempest. Italy jumped into F-35 how could they finance both ?
Tomcat, please shut up where are you from to spat your hate permanently at everything french? Somethin must have happened during your infancy or what? Yes we do not have CH47 what a big deal. Despite means we did a noce ops in Mali that are now studied and teached at West Point.That should tell you a lot.What did you army do great ?
Oh btw, FAMAS (which was a pretty good rifle in its time ut cannot be properly adapted to modern more powerful recent NATO cartrides (M853 + need a steel casing) is being replaced at a high pace by HK 416 F.
For the sake of your knowlede, Panhard is now part of Renault Truck defense which mean VBCI and Scorpion program vehicles… Nor bad iw it?
halloweeneWhat coment signore? would you be overtouchy?And let me laugh. Two countiries in Europe are are able to intervene e.g. In Mali. Two countries in Europe are tagged as lead nations for specialforces, none of them is Italy… And none of these countries paid Taliban to be quiet but did not mention it to the next country, hence many death.
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