Sea Typhoon fairly unlikely, aswell as Sea Gripen tbh. Sincerely if you were Brazilian or Indian, what would you buy?

I dont know whee to post this so in Rafale thread as it seems a fairly logical mlu upgrade. Sorry if already posted.

*An example of research, maybe announcing future of Rafale on long term
ONERA new RAMSES – NG system

“A NEW DETECTION SYSTEM WITH EMBEDDED ULTRA-EFFICIENT
RUNS ALL THE POTENTIAL OF SYNERGY RADAR / OPTRONICS”

http://www.onera.fr/actualites/press…S-NG-SALON.pdf

allowing to Air&Cosmos,

This is before an audience made ​​up of industrial researchers, officers of the Air Force and journalists that Onera officially celebrated today the receipt of a new way of testing installed in the center of the BA 701 Salon de Provence. The latter, called Ramses NG is a Dassault Mystère 20 modified to carry two underwing pods containing various radar and optronic sensors. Ramses NG is actually an evolution of Ramses radar imaging system (Airborne Multispectral Radar Signatures studies), arrested in 2008, and was a Transall platform. Good service at ONERA, the plane belongs to the DGA Flight Testing.

The mission of Ramses NG test new ways for the detection of DGA and industrialists. For this, it carries X-band radar sensors, L, UHF, a camera and a hyperspectral camera context.

Combine imaging radar (detection by electromagnetic waves) and hyperspectral imaging (Taking several images of the same scene in several wavelengths) would, according Onera unprecedented operational capabilities: detection of targets in vegetation cover, weapons caches or IED buried under the sand, knowing the route taken by a vehicle or “décamoufler” a tank hidden in the edge of a wood, etc.. Laboratory Onera even think that thanks to Ramses NG it would be possible to design systems able to detect chemical weapons factories!

Currently difficult to know what will be the first mission of this plane, which has been operational since last October. A Onera we talk carefully a series of tests on behalf of the DGA … However, the French lab does not hide that could NG Ramses in the near future, contribute to the development of sensors for a drone French or European …

L’Onera se dote d’un nouveau banc d’essais volant – Air&Cosmos

Rafale
For comparison, the combat capabilities of the Su-35 and Rafale choose a configuration with a range equal to:

10,460 kg (equipment) + 100 kg (pilot) + 4700 kg (fuel) + 370 kg (2 Meteor) + 672 kg (6 MICA) + 4125 kg (3 EFT, 5295 kg of fuel) = 20 427 kg, the total weight of fuel 4700 kg + 5295 kg = 9995 kg.
The radius range of 1155 km, the range of 3300 km. Fuel consumption of 3 kg / km

RCS in this configuration.
RCS min. = 2.8 sq.m., on the pendants 3 PTB + 2 Meteor + 6 MICA = 11 points.
RCS = (2.8 m + 11 m) * 0.5 = 6.9 sq.m.

Su-35
combat load
4 RVV-MD, 4 x 106 kg = 424 kg. 4 P-72 x 49 kg = 196 kg.
6 RVV-SD, 6 x 190 kg = 1140 kg. AKU-170E 6 x 61 kg = 366 kg.
2 RVV-BD, 2 x 510 kg = 1020 kg. AKU-58AE 2 x 186 kg = 372 kg.
424 kg + 196 kg + 1140 kg + 366 kg + 1020 kg + 372 kg = 3518 kg

4 RVV-MD, 4 x 106 kg = 424 kg. 4 P-72 x 49 kg = 196 kg.
4 RVV-SD, 4 x 190 kg = 760 kg. AKU-170E 4 x 61 kg = 244 kg.
4 RVV-BD, 4 x 510 kg = 2040 kg. AKU-58AE 4 x 186 kg = 744 kg. distance of 200 km / 300 km, warhead. 60 kg.
424 kg + 196 kg + 760 kg + 244 kg + 2040 kg + 744 kg = 4408 kg

Take-off weight in this configuration
17,550 (blank) + 100 kg (pilot) + 11500 kg (fuel) + 4408 kg (load) = 33,558 kg
Flight distance in this configuration with a load of 3300 km.
RCS in this configuration.
RCS min. = 2.5 sq.m.
RCS = (2.5 m + 12 m) * 0.5 = 7.25 sq.m.

I’m sorry, but RCS estimations are purely speculative…

SAM P/T would be leading competition vs Bolck 3 btw (informal source, no clue)

near dogfight
weight second salvo – Negligible
sweptwing
aspect ratio
Wing loading
lengthening the fuselage
thrust-to-weight
thrust vector control
locator simultaneously monitors
locator simultaneously attacks
the number of points for weapons
RCS
overload g
acceleration
range
rate advantage over the Su-27

long-range air combat
high speed
cruising speed
range
range radar
locator simultaneously monitors
locator simultaneously attacks
the number of points for weapons
RCS
range
rate advantage over the Su-27

efficiency / cost

generation

success rate

The Su-35 is superior Rafale in close air combat 1.95: 1.29 = 51%, in the far dogfight 1.93: 1.27 = 52%
That is, the Su-35 before dying in battle destroy two Rafale

“Success rate.” Rafale would be more likely implemented as a project by 30%

Stunningly these conclusion come from a russian source…

You mean that in fact the costs are cheaper, because the VTA go to the France anyway..? 🙂

Exactly, another purely french admisnistration absurdity 😮

Snafu, actually previous Sénat report included VAT. Do those prices also?