Looks like an ‘apples and oranges’ comparison earlier. The only valid modern comparisons for CVF – now that it will be flying CTOL aircraft using CATOBAR – are the US CVNs and the French Charles de Gaulle.
(The Invincible class were originally ‘sold’ as through-deck cruisers, so they had to have substantial ‘islands’, in case anyone thought they might be aircraft carriers by the back-door ;))
So the ‘two islands solution’ is probably a typical committee compromise between the American way and the French way, the latter having to be factored in because of the expected Anglo-French cooperation on carriers.
But what the BAM doesn’t have is those stern ramps for launching and retrieving RHIBS. Given that patrol/escort ships are increasingly becoming platforms for all sorts of air, surface and sub-surface vehicles, manned and unmanned, that facility on l’Adroit is very useful.
If the F-35C doesn’t happen – 50/50 at the moment? – here’s another option: buy MiG-29Ks, but with EJ200 engines and Western radar, avionics and weapons. STOBAR aircraft, so no need for expensive catapults.
No marinisation required, as that job has already been done.
Why legalise drugs to stop the drug trade and ruin the warlords. Why not co-operate with Afghanistans neighbours in enforicing control of their export, when they can’t get it out of the country they cannot make profit.
You mean like the successful cocaine elimination programme in Latin America? Oh wait….
Ther is a way to win the war. But few politicians wouldn’t even dare to think about it: Legalize drugs. Primerly heroine and opium. Boom -there goes the warlords bottomless gold mine to hell. How will they run the war now? Start building and selling iPhones? Attracting foreign tourists and investors?
As long as these drugs are illigal the Talibs etc can make huge profits not only from growing it, but to smuggle it. If a few poppy fields get burned down by Nato, the only thing thats goinmg to happend is increasd prices on the streets of Stockholm etc. Wich makes the smuggeling even more lucurative. Because the demand is there, and it wont go away -thats for sure.
Of course this could (would) lead to a lot of negative effects for our societies as well. At least in the short to medium run. But if you compare the advantages to the disadvantages for SE Asia, Kaukasus, Balkan and all other drug trafficing hellholes… I bet this will leave the World better off in the end.
Cocaine should be lwagalized too of course. And when those disgusting Mexican cartells have run out of monney and steam its time to give them the treatment they need. Raptor-treatment.
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Fine, but that doesn’t mean it will be a profit maker for commercial airlines.
I’m sure it would be a fine “nation-builder” aircraft for a government nationally-owned airline to use in less-developed areas, but dedicated military-style freighters have had a tough time in the Western civilian market.
Except maybe this one?

It’s an elegant design, but it would look even better if the heli-deck was extended further aft, covering at least part of the stern ramps area – if neccessary the heli-deck could be raised a bit. That would allow the heli hangar to be located aft of the superstructure rather than inside it, which in turn would allow for a reduction in the height of the superstucture.
And of course that conehead mast doesn’t help 😀
You mean that NATO is failing in Libya, and there’s no way they’d be able to take on Syria?
It is futile: it’s been 10 years now, and what has been achieved?
38 killed.
You mean change it to “Marinated Typhoon“? 😀
The spelling is correct for the Queen’s Englishmen.
Where Americans spell such words with a Z, Brits spell them with an S.
Marinated or Marinised, I suppose it doesn’t matter, the odds of either ever happening to the Typoon/Typhoon are about the same. 😉
If the F/A-18E/Fs are solely for air defence – which means that they wouldn’t be needed if the carrier group wasn’t there in the first place – then the only strike capacity of the air wing – and most of the strike capacity of the Carrier Strike Group – is provided by just 24 F/A-18C/Ds.
Seems like the USN has to expend a massive amount of effort – and cost – to generate a relatively modest capability?
Could somebody please fix the spelling in the title of this thread? :rolleyes:
Maybe they’re all lined up neatly like that because they’ve been grounded again…
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2011/08/03/360325/f-35-fleet-grounded-after-electrical-subsystem-failure.html
They don’t seem to be using those forward deck spots – is that just in those particular pics, or is it normal routine?