ADS size and origin

Hello Storch and qantaz!

The ADS has a long history which can be read on the following link:

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/ADS.html

So the french design was 25.000ts, it started with even smaller ones and after years Fincantieri came into the story with it’s design. Now the ADS ship has grown and has more then dobbled it’s size from the first designs. After many years pf planning steelcutting started a few months ago.

Hello Gollevainen!

I too miss a foto from the front and I hope that somebody has found one and posts it. I think the bow would have looked like the Foch and the bridge a bit like Mistral and Tonnere.

shiplovers fantasy design

Hello tiddles!

You are right that the forward position is not ideal. The Ryujo – which inspired me got the bridge crushed by a typhoon. The bow was rised one deck and the problem never reoccured (see pictures of 1933 and 1938). On the other side it might be great fun plowing the waves on this bridge. Many passenger ships have the bridge very far forward.
What I was thinking when I made this design was, that the CIC perhaps should be more in the middle and further below deck to reduce the motion ( those are the other blue areas below deck between diesel engine and munition depot). The position of the bridge is not too bad and can be seen in other designs I added to this response – the japanese liked this design feature.

Bremer Vulkan design

The history behind Chakri Naruebeth is long.

Various Yards made offers for a small carrier for the Thai Navy. I heard of HDW (Howaldts Werke Deutsche Werft) in Kiel (but know nothing about the design) and the offer of Bremer Vulkan is known. Bremer Vulkan made various designs – obviously slowly increasing in size.

The design “Probable first design” is the first as far as I know.
Then came the ship which is shown as model HC 600 PT2 and the HC 600 PT. When I received the news that the project was cancelled the design was the BVEntwurf8000v92 of 8000 ts. It was cancelled in 1992 if I remember correctly
The project was cancelled by Bremer Vulkan due to german export legislation. The ship would have been the first Aircraftcarrier completed in Germany and the german government made life difficult for Bremer Vulkan. Furthermore Bremer Vulkan came into serious trubbles due to subsidies paid for a Yard in Eastern Germany after the reunification of Germany. These subsidies and other money where not used correctly. A short time later Bremer Vulkan went bancrupt and the result was a scandal in the German Yard industry.

Then it was Bazan – later IZAR which built Chakri Na.

Here are drawings of the Bremer Vulkan designs (“Helicopter Carrier Family”) with the technical data. There is also a 11.000 ts project but I don’t know if this was ever considered for Thailand (probably yes). The project “helicopter support ship” seems to be the 8.000 ts design with a Vickers 114mm gun.
I think the best ship for Thailand would have been the design which is shown as a model and is the HC 600 PT. It would have a reasonable armament and 6 helicopters. I think the Thai Navy is not vary happy with it’s Harriers.

The HC 500 design which I send yesterday of 5000 ts was – as far as I know – never mentioned as a design for Thailand but probaly was also considered.

Well, I hope I told you some interesting things.

Incat Carrier

These incat Carriers are really futuristic designs. But I don’t understand what they should be useful for.
If I understand the plans correctly there is very little room for a reasonable complement. The ship looks for me as one which should rush to Indonesia throw some bombs on a target and then return home before the crew needs some rest. But what if the ship should be patrolling for weeks? What if it should sustain CAP for several days? What if the aircraft need some repairing or if several crew members are injured?
A conventional carrier of perhaps an unconventional designs to me seems more reasonable (like this strange russian 9000 ts design up in this thread)

Where can I find such plans with a higher resolution? In the drawing I cannot recognize much because it is really tiny.
A very interesting design seems the corsair projet of the US-Navy some years ago.

JSF Carrier

Have you been thinking of something like this?

There are several mistakes because it is not finished – these are ideas how the ship should look like – it is several months old.
Principle ideas:
8 JSF and two AEW and one SAR in the hangar, two gasturbines for maximum speed, diesels for transit and electricity.
Brigde and Flyco on the front on starbord to have unobstructed flight deck.
The result was a design of about 15.000 ts std. and 200m in length (JSF is considerably larger then Sea Harrier).
It could operate 8 JSF in the hangar and the same on deck. The Harrier Carrier stowed 8 in the Hangar and could have operated more on deck – depending on the weather.
The ship comes very close to the Sea Control Ship of 30 years ago.
Any thoughts – or questions?

Thanks for the welcome!
I studied the small carriers thread a while ago. But thanks for the tip.

Here are further information of the Harrier Carrier I found on another board:

It is a design I like very much (that’s why tried some coloring a while ago) – too sad that none was built.
I read of plans of Shah – Iran buying up to 4 of these ships.
Then he was more in favour of Invincibles an then – we all know it was time to go.

Harrier Carrier

Helo boardmembers!

I am new to this board and try to post drawings I made of the Harrier Carrier.
I hope it works – if not I am willing to send them to those interested.
I am a shiplover and I like small Carrier Concepts.