“Since the plane lacks Russian radar, I doubt it would carry stuff like Kh-29s. If the plane has a Russian radar”
The IrAF Mirage F-1EQ-6/7 could use the Kh-29L with the ATLIS II LDP so I see no reason the J-10 could not support the Kh-29L at least.
“but you can be sure about the typical Chinese saturation rockets and bombs which are seen from Q-5s to PLAAF SU-27s. The unguided stuff is always the staple of the Chinese air to ground attack, not to mention its cheap, easy to manufacture, and plenty available. Remember, the PLA does not put a premium on reducing collateral damage as Americans do.”
True. I can expect lots of cluster bombs and such to be held on the J-10.
With the 7 loading points and with at least 2 being reserved for fuel tanks and another 2 for the PL-8s and there of course is the center point which could go F-16 style and carry an ECM pod that leaves like two places for either BVR missiles or bombs. Its going to be interesting to see the J-10 carrying air to ground ordinance.
“if the FC-1 doesnt do well on the market, then it increases the likihood that the J10 will be make available as CAC bosses start to really push to get to make money from the plane.”
Well the J-10 may do better then the FC-1 on the export market who knows…
“What’s really amazing is that we have not documented, reported, or even rumored of any Chinese AGM-65 Maverick copy. The closest thing in the Chinese arsenal to a Maverick is the C-701, which has two versions, a thermal and a TV guided one. So while the C-701 works on the same princicple, it’s also a publicly disclosed weapon and the fins don’t look like the Maverick’s. So even if the C-701 does not work—and its very likely it does—the next choice would be to use the Kh-29T for the same role.”
I would be interested to see how the J-10 would carry air to ground loads in combat situations. Seeing as it is most likely a fighter-bomber in the F-16 mold. When I first read about the plane it was claimed to have 11 loading points for ordinance and external fuel tanks but the plane to my knowledge has only been seen with 7 loading points.
So really that makes the plane unable I guess to make use of the PL-11 or SD-10 if it is carrying air to ground weapons and the standard external fuel tanks and PL-8/9s. That of course if it only has 7 loading points.
So does the J-10 really have 11 loading points or was that just a typo or a miss reporting?
I figure its air to ground loads will likely include the Kh-31P, Kh-29L/T, C-701, KAB guided bombs (TV and Laser), FAB dumb bombs, Chinese dumb bombs, free flight rockets, cluster bombs, FAEs and anti runway bombs.
I think it meant 4 TC-2As and leaving the under wing tanks at home. So with the drop tanks then it would be 2 TC-2, 2 TC-1, 2 TC-2A and 2 drop tanks.
The MiG-21UPG seems to be the front runner for the MiG-21 upgrade. It unlike the MiG-21 2000 offers BVR and can make use of the planned R-77E capibility. Not that I’m a fan of upgrading the MiG-21s…
I have no pics of the BPS-500s and the honestly I have no idea on the type of frigate that will be bought.
“I agree, hopefully Vietnam chooses to return to being China’s key southern province, as it’s Chinese style economy would be easier to integrate.”
Wait do you mean becoming a part of China? If that is the case it would never happen.
And that is very much off topic…
“An-26 bomber?”
Well several nations have made use of hte An-26 in the bomber role including Vietnam and the Sudan so you can;t be to sure. Plus a transport is a military target.
“So you really would want to use something like a FC-1 on Laos and Cambodia anyways”
It was just the point that we could not use them if say we decided to take on the Philippines over the Spratly Islands as they lack the range and we lack the tankers. And our current single squadron of Su-27SK/UBKs would be more then enough to deal with Laos or Cambodia’s non-flying MiG-21s. The FC-1 would be of some use as a fighter-bomber.
Our non-flying F-5A/Es are more then a match for their non flying MiG-21s…:D
“The entire border area has been demined since 2000.”
I know. Relations are very good now. Hopefully we will all grow rich and fat together. 😀
The FC-1 would be great for parades, photo ops and such for us but seeing as there is no real tangible threat coming across the borders it would not be of too much use. But really unless people go to war most weapons are of no use when you think about it.
Now if Cambodia started to throw money into their air force and bought some new fighters then the FC-1 could be of use for ground attack duties covered by the Su-27SKs. Then an FC-1 with say Russian weapons and such would be great for bombing them into the stone age 😀 .
“Compared to the nutty N Koreans”
Ah North Korea everyone’s favorite neighborhood seller of ballistic missiles…:rolleyes:
“How much funding do the Army and Navy get, and any word of modernization from those two branches?”
On the first part I forget.
On the second part…
The Navy is planning for more corvettes (BPS-500), 2-3 guided missile frigates and a couple of SSKs.
The Army is going for more MANPADs, additional BMPs, and an M-113 upgrade was discussed but nothing much came from that.
Well thats good news.
A Vietnamese Air Force delagation also very recently visisted KAI to get a look at the T-50 and KT-1.
I smell a rebirth of the Air Force…
“Yeah, but you could probably barter for the FC-1 with kumquats and durian fruits that China wants. It’s precious hard currency for planes from France or other countries.”
True but the FC-1 happens to have the range only to take on Cambodia, Laos and China. I doubt China would supply us with spares if we happened to have a major border “dispute”. Then again with a Russian radar, engine and weapons the plane would fit right in, but I doubt relations have gotten that good for us to buy a Chinese fighter.
“The French are probably willing to sell the M2K as long as you have the money.”
That it, I don’t think we have the money to spend on the Mirage 2000-5 or something like that.
“Well before 1998. There’s a good color shot in a World Air Power Journal back issue from the early 90’s showing one of ’em being loaded.”
They showed up in the 1980s.
I would like to see us (well them now… I live in the USA now)…
Get more Flankers (24 Su-27SK/UBK and 24 Su-30MK)
Upgrade the Fitters
Look into either the MiG-AT or Yak-130 (24 total) as a lead in trainer to replace the L-39
Get some surplus Mi-24Ds (12 or so)
Get some surplus Mi-8s or Mi-17s (36 more)
How knows maybe we could throw money into the MiG-ATS which is similar to the Hawk 200 to act as light weight fighter bombers…kidding…or am I :rolleyes: ?
The LCA is looking like it would not be exportable until what, post 2010? The FC-1 happens to be made in China.
Well as long as we look better then the Cambodian Air Force things are great…
I just don’t see a threat from the borders. Any conflict in the Spratlys would more then likely stay there if you catch my drift.
I just see a light fighter as taking money from getting even more Flankers or a doing a Fitter upgrade and not being of use with the changing threats. Cambodia is not a threat nor Laos and any conflict with China would mostly be at sea with maybe some shelling on the borders if things got bad.
I think we should improve the navies surface and transportation fleet and the ability of the air force to provide support in the ways of keeping enemy strikers away and launching strikes of our own. And of course we need more Flankers to scare away PAF F-5As or OV-10Cs that might loiter over the area.
And the JAS-39, F-16 and Mirage 2000 are not on offer to us as a light fighter the only one would be the MiG-29 and people do not have terribly much faith in it after Flankers ate them alive in Ethiopia. And throwing limited resources into some fancy Russian MiG-29 upgrade would just waste money from getting more Flankers.
At this rate it could be better for us to focus on getting more Flankers into service and not worry about some sort of high low concept. We are getting Flankers for about 30 million a piece now and some light fighters would run about the same but lack the range/payload of the Flankers. The Su-30MK could no doubt do anti shipping work and could be covered with Su-27SKs on CAP and escort.
I would like to see money spent on more Flankers (more then just the planned 36) and maybe an upgrade on the Su-22Ms as those also have a decent enough range and payload. Screw wasting money on the MiG-29, FC-1 or LCA, which would take resources away from the more useful and similarly priced Flankers.
I had heard about this a couple years back (has it been that long already?), the looking into more Su-22Ms from Eastern Europe. A couple of years back i had heard we looked at Poland’s.
We have lost some Su-22M-3Ks due to crashes and such and it is our best and only striker in service today. The planes currenlty use the Kh-28 and dumb bombs/rockets and such. Expanig the fleet and upgrading it would be great. Some sort of anti shipping and the ability to use guided bombs/missiles would go a long way to giving us a regoinaly decent strike ability.
The overall plan for the Flankers is to get a total of 36.
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