That for the great help guys 🙂
Here a kmz-file from google-earth for a overview of the location of Elmshorn, Germany.
The locations Parchim, Beckilingen and Schwerin are hundrets of kilometers away. Oldendorff is a small village north of Elmshorn, but too far away, if this is the exact crash site. If you have here details about this crash, let me know please.
Other locations west of Elmshorn, which could be named on a report, are “Kibitzreihe”, “Altenmoor”, or “Bullendorf”
Here I found a photo of the entry of a Spit. This hatch looks like similar with the part we found ! (see photo #4)
Photo by http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2001/12/stuff_eng_detail_spitfire_ix_04.htm
Sadly we have no chance to search on the crash site again, because a lot of rainy days makes the field under water…
here the reverse side of this panel. Here I miss the general connections for a instrument. Because of that my thought was this is a oxygen gauge…
Bruce
You could be right on the number. I had automatically looked for the “300” prefix.
However, here is a definite piece of Spitfire (a Mk V) that I just found in the garage.
Certainly a similarity in the numbering pattern:
That´s great ! This part number is similar to the part number we have.
A Spitfire should be the a/c we found and the notice of the armed Spitfires with .50 guns could confirm this thought, correct ?
About the remains of the instrument, my first thought was this could be from a oxygen gauge, because the remains is fixed with his lower side on the panel and there a no connection to find :rolleyes:
Regards
Nils
The items you illustrate are parachute pack buckles and not type-specific to Mosquito/Halifax/Wellington aircraft but would be common equipment to ALL RAF aircrew.
Do you have an approximate date of the incident?
We have found one contruction part of the aircraft with a part number and this part number is no typical number of US aircrafts / manufacturer.
The P-51 was built also for the RAF, but the contruction numbers are the typical US part numbers.
About the chute pack buckles I think you has misunderstand me. I meant that I found this type of buckles only on british crash sites (no type-specific for Mossie, Halifax or Wellington). US chute pack buckles have a other look and dimension. But thank you very much for the specification of the chute pack buckles ! Do you have a photo with details of this buckles on the chute pack ?
The time of crash should be in the last days of the war in Germany. This could be in the last days of April, or in the first week of May 1945
@Moggy
Thanks for the information and the link !
I was not sure which british fighter was armed with Cal. 50 weapons.
The eyewithness told about two crew member, so my first tought was a Mosquito. But sadly we have at this time no parts from crash site which identified the type of aircraft
Some parts we has found you can see here. http://www.iphpbb.com/board/viewtopic.php?nxu=81805422nx79380&p=4334#4334
One part number we could found:
it´s a british aircraft crash site…
we are not sure if this was a Mosquito, because a eyewithness told about two crew member.
Is is possible that this aircraft was shoot down in the last days of the war and the pilot was lynched after bail out by a german soldier (shot in his head).
Chumpy,
thanks for the list !
Here I have a large part from downed Wellington. The part number is 28507.
In the list is this number “TOP OUTER MAIN PLANES”, what does is means exactly ? Could the part on the photos fixed on the wings ?
Regards
Nils
Thanks for the interesting informations !
@Chumpy
can you send the complete list of codes you have show in your posting ?
I have a lot of Wellington parts with part numbers from some crash sites. It would be great to can identify the locations on the Wellington !
@Mark
thanks for the link ! I will try to contact the museum,maybe they can help with more informations of this data plate.
Best regards from Kiel, Germany
Nils
Guys,
thanks for your reply.
I have a lot of aircraft part lists and manuals, one for the deHavilland Mosquito too. I´m stupid, because I have not mentioned that I´m looking for the details of part numbers (DRG´s).
On interest are the definition of the number which digit referred the part.
The first three digit on Vickers parts referred the type of aircraft, but which of the following digit or digits referred the part self? The code on Handley Page Hamden aircraft part numbers is easier, because the letter show here on which section the part was installed.
Here a data plate from Wellington crash site. Here are on interest the code for the date. Means the BQ3 the third quarter ?
Regards and sorry for the sad formulation on my first posting 😮
Nils
Hi Cees,
we are still waiting for the ok from disposal bomb team (they recovered the engines). On some engines they found 30lbs. bombs, so they must check the Merlins before we can clean it…
We have no aeral museum here. The next way is to document all the parts and the Merlin engine. I think we will held one of the Merlins and the other parts. My office must check what we do, because it must be a official way.
Regards
Nils
Here the first photos from parts of the Merlin XX
http://www.iphpbb.com/board/viewtopic.php?nxu=81805422nx79380&p=4116#4116
Regards
Nils
Hi Cees,
yes, that´s from the site I have found two years ago the human remain.
It´s a difficult theme, because the authorities in other states handle it different. He in the state “Schleswig-Holstein” the archaeological evidence ( here I´m the specialist for the aviation archaeology) is the only authority who recovered and search for wracks or parts of wracks. No other civil person or organisation have a permission to do that.In the next month we have a new law. People who dig or search for relicts of the WWII and would be to catch, are then previously convicted. This is then a statutory offense…
The bomb disposal team recovered three engines and they told me, the engines looks very well 🙂 Sadly we have during the recover no permission to visit this work, because they found a lot of bombs with different weight.
I´m waiting of a call from bomb disposal team to optain a overview about the condition of the engines…
If I have photos, I publish a report on my website and blog and will let you know then.
Same important is to receive a manual / part catalog for the Merlin XX engine for the dokumentation. I hope someone can help with this manual in digital form, before I must pay a lot of money for this…
Regards
Nils
You are great 🙂
It´s Greenock in Scotland ! The roads, railway and the little lake are correct !
Thanks for th great help !
What means the “O”, left on the longitude line, could it be the sign for degrees ?
Regards
Nils
Now I´m sure it´s a navigation map, you guys are right !
I have here a old german map of the UK and Ireland and just looking about the “O” (on the middle of the peace and the meridian), so it could be O° or 10°. Or it´s the sign for degree (°)… ?
Regards
Nils
Thanks for the details and the notice of the Do-17 !
I had use the lext from the book, and I´m wondering that they have wrote D-215 :confused:
Regards
Nils