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  • in reply to: Is Hendon Museum fully open #1292262
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    I expect the power to the lights is being drained by their new all-singing-and-dancing IT system.

    Never mind. Now they’ve cut open the tanks of the BA Collection at Cosford they’ll be able to hang a few paraffin lamps around the place.

    in reply to: Any news from Cosford…? #1303955
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    Phillip
    It’s not too late to get active with VM. Weybridge is the home of the VC10. Rumour has it they need some major parts for their Standard, in addition to the cockpit. Some think they could be persuaded to take the whole aircraft with a view to keeping one VC10 going long term.
    It needs pressure – now.

    in reply to: BA Collection News 28-04-06 #1309207
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    Anyone have any ideas why ASI should have cut such a neat rectangular hole in the fuselage?
    There’s no door or exit in that area to display, no logo or builders plate. It’s too big for ebay and anything they wanted to take out from inside could have gone through the big ‘ole in the front.
    Perhaps it’s another bit of the twisted thinking from the RAFM and BA that hanging a section of skin on a wall, along with cutting off the cockpit, is somehow an act of “preservation”.

    in reply to: B.A Collection at Cosford #1310568
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    …..and clearly it proved to be a good decision not to give them a Concorde.

    I have just had yet another email from RAFM which refuses to accept that three BA aircraft are to be destroyed. It reiterates that they are all just being “moved”! Its like talking to a Government Minister. You end up concluding they must actually believe their own garbage.

    Fine. I’ll just chop off the cockpit of the Valiant and see if they think that’s a good act of preservation.

    in reply to: B.A Collection at Cosford #1312980
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    Shame shareholder dividends don’t come under ‘non-essential expenditure’.
    BA is typical of large floated corporations. Shareprice & dividends are ‘gods’ and s*d anything else.

    BA hasn’t paid a dividend for years!

    But I’m not condoning what BA have done, or exempting them from blame. We are where we are. BA is not a museum. RAFM is. BA doesn’t want its Collection any longer. Niether does RAFM. But other people value them. If every museum scrapped what it couldn’t display there would be little left to display. The art is in getting things to the museums that want them. That means co-operation – not tantrums. It also means being willing to hold something that is not currently in the Plan until another museum modifies its own Plan. Scrapping things is very macho but not very forward-thinking – or what museums should be about. The RAFM would have a far better collection of its own if an earlier generation had done less thoughtless scrapping. Next year we may be reading a thread about another Museum scrapping something the RAFM badly wants but doesn’t immediately have the funding for. It works both ways.
    But what is completely unacceptable is when museums are less than truthful about what they are doing with _our_heritage.

    in reply to: B.A Collection at Cosford #1313554
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    I still cannot understand why the RAFM is taking all the flak regarding the Airliners and not BA.
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    BA has put a lot into aircraft preservation in the past but is now in a financial crisis and to survive has to suspend all non-essential expenditure. The RAFM, of course, has a limited budget and prefers military aircraft. Other funds for aircraft preservation are very short at the moment.

    But none of these facts mean that the BA Collection has to be destroyed. This has happened because the Collection has been evicted by RAFM. They didn’t have to do that at this particular time. It has been said it is an act of revenge for not getting a Concorde. I doubt this is entirely true but they are certainly responsible for turning a problem into a crisis. Then they compounded it by not being truthful about the fate of three of the aircraft.

    Lets be quite clear: the BA Collection aircraft have deteriorated but are nowhere near being in a dangerous condition. The RAFM could have put them aside and waited for better times/BA to recover/Heritage grant/private funds but they have forced a situation where other Museums have to take what they can handle immediately and scrap the rest. This is not the standard of behaviour you would expect from a reputable museum, which should be looking to find safe homes for the things it no longer wants.

    in reply to: B.A Collection at Cosford #1314771
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    The problem with cutting off the cockpit is that it automatically condemns the aircraft. Fine if it is one of many, but not if it’s the last of the species. East Fortune now has a contract for the Trident 1 cockpit. That means nobody else can step in with a bid for the whole aircraft.
    I’m old enough to remember when there was no interest in Lancasters (let alone Lincolns). It was only when they were almost extinct that anyone cared. That is the position now with the last of the great British civil airliners.
    In the world of steam locomotive preservation they are now building, at the cost of millions of pounds, replicas of types that were scrapped by the hundred to extinction in the Sixties. It happens that funds are short for civil airliner preservation at the present time (but not apparently for railway preservation! – or for putting four-engined V-bombers back in the sky). That does not mean funds won’t be available in the future. By then it will be too late – again.

    in reply to: B.A Collection at Cosford #1316379
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    What is at issue here is that by announcing that “the BA Collection is on the move”, by saying “The airframe will be transported to East Fortune” the impression is given that the aircraft are being preserved. Actually they are being destroyed. The RAFM and BA are being untruthful. Had the truth of the matter been known earlier other interested parties might have been able to come up with an alternative plan, funds could have been raised etc.
    I’m not one of those who thinks that saving a cockpit has any relevance to aircraft preservation.

    in reply to: RAF Museum, Cosford – 9th Apr 06 #1317342
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    The images are just fine, Rob! Thanks

    in reply to: RAF Museum, Cosford – 9th Apr 06 #1317744
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    Well the notice seems clear enough and I would accept it at face value if the RAFM hadn’t previously made statements that the “BA Collection was on the move” meaning they were intending to chop off the cockpits and scrap the rest!
    It’s like pulling up a couple of portholes from the Deep and saying you have “preserved the Titanic”.
    There’s been a basic lack of honesty here by the RAFM (and BA). Who can now believe anything they say ?

    in reply to: B.A Collection at Cosford #1318234
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    The 707 has had its engines dropped down. Interestingly the notice on the fence round it says “The airframe will be transported to East Fortune”. (See ROB68’s post on the earlier thread). This is significantly different to the BA announcement that “the front fuselage (forward of the wings) will be transported….”
    It is said that some other parts of the VC10 might be saved. The Trident hasn’t so far had much publicity.
    The Comet is not part of the BA Collection so is not under the same immediate threat.

    in reply to: Concorde rotting away #1326887
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    Are you guys still arguing about this?
    Come over to the RAF Museum Cosford thread while we post photos of BA hacking apart their last Trident 1, their last Standard VC10 and their last Conway 707.
    Then you can get back to your argument.
    Unless, of course, it makes you understand that if you can’t get the project under cover and get it away from BA – there is no project….
    …..and no point in arguing.

    in reply to: RAF Museum, Cosford – 9th Apr 06 #1328066
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    Any sign of the Aviation (or even National) Press taking an interest?
    Anyone posting these pictures to them?

    in reply to: The Cosford / BA Collection thread #1329851
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    ……..and does BA continue to own the wreckage of the aircraft that are destroyed – or will Cosford claim the entrails?

    Neither, I suspect. They will both distance themselves from this act of wanton destruction just as fast as they can.

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