It still absolutely stinks.
Litigation must be abolished if society is ever going to stop this ridiculousness.
Grr i am still p’ed off with that woman who sued macdonalds cos their coffee was hot, and now the rest of the world has to drink cold coffee.
I saw the warnings on the spitfire in Manchester, and i have to say it ruined the appearance of the airframe. I would rather the slight risk or whatever (not that people are allowed to randomly climb into the cockpits anyway) that those silly sheets of paper hanging everywhere and looking really bad in photos.
No-one is criticising Duxford here guys, The Law is Ludicrous.
Jay
Good too see the Hanley spitfire get a mention
I’m a student in the area, and have to note most people dont seem to know its there-Yet when they find out its considered an interesting thing to see.
Its well worth going to the museum to check it out if you’re in the local area.
I believe RJ Mitchell is a famous son of stoke, and is quite a celebrated figure round here, with the spit and the statue at the museums, the road and the pub named after him.
Unfortunately the pub in question is owned by J D Wetherspoons who have “modernised” many good aviation pubs like the White Hart in Hornchurch, essex.
But yeah check the potteries museum well worth a visit. Extensive pottery collection as well. Free to get in as well i think.
Love Jay
It still looks good
The holes do look horrible but keep it. get it down, tidy it up. dont repaint it. if that original paint keep it. i always liked it because its a nice generic wwII spitfire scheme
Jay
The wonderful thing about these two is they are ALWAYs equally rare or common. You will NEVER have more Mustangs than P-51s. Go on count them. It’s really spooky, eh?
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Umm, yeah, some of the mustangs are Australian-built CAC 22 s
Jay
In response to a couple of queries.
Jonathan:
I am aware the SR71 Blackbird was a reccon aircraft.
Yak11 fan:
If someone attempted to rearm an old warbird with the intention of killing people with it my reccomendation would be that it was taken away and ‘rehomed’ sharpish!
A preserved aircraft was used as an implement of war several years ago-and is not likely to be again! It exists as a monument and a reminder of history-it should remain as such.
I’m an opinionated B******
Jay
Okay that sounded pretty bad-made me look pretty stupid etc, can i try to clear it up
I am sorry. some of the right-wing anti-freedom bullsh*t (re Eddie Izzard/Germaine Greer as well) i have seen in these forums winds me up. I guess i was knowingly being provocative with that one.
I think if you vandalise it well enough no-one is gonna try and get into it and fly it. i am totally opposed to endangering life in this way, and resent the suggestion that i would ever condone such a thing. 😡 😡
I was being specific to aircraft in service or on the production line, which are liable to be used in war to kill people in the forseeable future, (barring of course defensive actions) I very much doubt i would be let off scot free for damaging an aircraft, and its not something i have any plans to do. I would never endorse the endangering of life-if one is going to participate in this kind of direct action it is vital to make clear the damage has taken place, any concealed damage which may allow the pilot to attempt to take off eg with a fuel tank of gravel is absolutely abhorrent and no better than murder, an anathema to most peace activists.
If you re-read it you will find that half of my post was condeming the vandalism of aircraft at museums. I am sorry if i was unclear, i have a personal preference to world war two aircraft. If an aircraft of whatever age is vandalised in a museum i get as angry if not more so than anyone in here! i apologise to the duxford etc. folks if i gave the impression i was saying it was okay to damage your newer aircraft. this is totally not what i meant and was what the second half of my post was being angry at/apologising for. I hope i am not followed around on my next visit-i love the place.
these aircraft are historical sources, whatever age they are, and are preserved, unless i’m misunderstanding things, for the benefit of those with many different viewpoints-whether its as a barbarous weapon or something that delivered us freedom, a monument to those who served or a beautiful technological object.
To an extent i was stressed and trying to get a reaction :dev2: -congrats to those who did not rise to it. On the other hand i stand by my sentiments about the illegality (or at least inherent immorality) of BAe trading policy and the actions of our government esp. post cold-war.
I hope i have not taken this too far off topic. My original post was confused at best and did me no service at all. I hope the mods see no need to delete this one (as i swear has happened before) :confused:
Love Jay
To return perhaps to earlier on in the thread i notice a lot of nasty things are being said about various “peace activists” vandalising aircraft. I am surprised the Hawk jet on the production line for indonesia has been mentioned.
It is my opinion that an aircraft which is to be used for illegal acts of war should not be protected from vandalism, i think it is our duty as citizens of the world to prevent such murders happening, and i have no problem if this involves spray painting an sr71 or some such.
However as an individual with a strong interest in the aircraft of world war 2 and their preservation i am horrified to hear about the acts of vandalism in museums to old aircraft which present no threat at all anymore, in the name of peace activism. I think education is the key-whatever side you’re on surely its important to preserve such artifacts as B29s or B52s as our duty to history-the way you interpret it on display is down to you. I find it hard to believe that a peace activist would see any a museum aircraft as a target. i am shocked. But i would like to assure you most of us “anti-war” types would never dream of such a thing
Just a few honest thoughts from a slightly shocked individual
Jay
I believe they did the crash scenes in 633 by simply retracting the undercarriage on a fast taxi run. sounds dangerous for the pilots-they wrote off about 3 mossies doing that! am i right?
BofB destroying a duxford hanger. but i guess the moviemakers believed it was due for demolition anyway, as were alll the hangers at the time
Jay
to Duxford (plus the other originals) from Lambeth and substitute them with fibreglass, as they have with the P51.
When did this happen? I thought the one on the pole at the AAM was fibreglass? I understood they were looking for a real one (how about the ex-RAFM one?) but were leaving the other one in Lambeth where it belongs, with the BofB vet spitfire and the 190.
I’m a londoner and i appreciate them anyway
Jay
92fis-I think that may have been the source of some of my confusion as well. It seems many aircraft had a role, static or flying, but many owners/operators/survivors web sites are ambiguous about exactly what role they had. I know many, including lots of mkXVIs were used in the static role, including many which now fly.
As a point of interest the directors who do the commentary which accompanies the dvd dont know much “the mk 12 spitfire” “the two-engined spitfire” etc. whats up with that?!
thankyou everyone tho.
Jay
G AWLW is the CWH one they lost in that horrendous fire yes?
Jay
Brilliant-nice one
i understood T8 G-AIDN had been used-i was clearly mistaken, as i was about the mk XI.
thats cleared that up anyway-cheers for the pointers.
where are the T9s now? and is MK279 the one now sitting at North Weald? the serial number does not sound quite right
Sorry bout this if i’m just carrying on with the idle questions. I thought this thread might prove popular tho!
Thanks for the link to the web site, nice one whoever does that.
Jay
I know thats a **** take but i actually think thats a really nice greeting, very carefully all inclusive, and i like it.
why render it void when its illegal tho? screw that ****.
Jay
maybe he would be so kind as to re-post with proper acknowledgements.
sounds like an interesting thing ppl would like to know.
If the mods knew where it was from why not just add the relevant acknowledgements themselves? sure it was done in ignorance.
anyway, bact to the interesting thread- you read in Flight International that who was buying the YF 23
Jay
What is the stripped down one? its a spitfire obviously but as far as i can see al 5 airworthy ones are there
one of the mk XVIs from the exhibition flight?
Jay