Check your meds.

He must have missed the last year of reports, this poster is still living in the 2012-13 period when this type of tripe was accepted. Funny thing happened, the F-35 went into squadron service and chicken littles were proven to be demonstrably wrong. Perhaps it is fitting this rant was added to a zombie thread resurrected.

Addendum to above discussion of F-4 Mig-21

US eval of Mig-21 compared to all US aircraft of Vietnam era from HAVE DOUGHNUT:

http://area51specialprojects.com/migs_area51.html

Thread has gone waaaayyyyy of the rails OT. But this is interesting.

Unsuprisingly, F-4 is a better aircraft than MiG-21 in all circumstances; It has a radar that deserves the definition, has potent BVR capability, better WVR missiles. In terms of aerodynamics, F-4 actually has better sustained turn performance and climb rates, so it was actually a better dogfighter in trained hands, plus it was faster too.

All true in regard to the other parts. I think that US pilots might disagree on the F-4 being a better dogfighter. It had some really nasty flight characteristics at the edges of its maneuver envelope. The Mig-21 was altogether better (and more forgiving) at low speeds high AoA. F-4 was probably superior in the vertical. The F-4 had pretty poor sustained turn performance until the slatted “E”.

yes Freddy: how can you come up with the very suggestion F-35 is more draggy than PAK-FA ?
sounds like heretic mischief to me !

Another expert eyeball aerodyamicist. Sorry, no. If you were comparing Cd at supersonic speeds, sure everyone would be in agreement. Looking at two aircraft and making a proclaimation about drag coefficient at subsonic speeds is a fools game. Don’t believe me? I’d be happy to give you a little test.

And considering your illustrious career on here of claiming b.s., don’t think your sarcasm is warranted.

How do you guys even know this? Have Serbs ever claimed they had any information about flight routes in advance? Sure as hell I can’t remember them saying that.. Smells like BS and/or lame excuses if you ask me..

Have you ever read the interviews with Zoltan Dani? Or are you going with the “meh, I feel LO is a waste of time, so…..” There was two separate claims about intelligence gaps as well. One, that spotters were able to notify when strike groups were taking of (no so far fetched). Two, that the Serbs were able to decode some of the comms.

And spoiler alert, Dani said they observed the pattern of flights and set up his battery accordingly.

Funny if anyone believe that for 10 years of Vietnam war US lost only 150 old planes, while in Iraq and Kosovo they lost dozens for months…from the same Veitnam-era SAMs. I have a strong feeling that someone is brainwashed by their own government. :rolleyes:

Eye roll- we’ve all heard this one before. Easy job post a couple of pics of wreckage, some serial nos., anything at all to show “dozens of aircraft” downed over Kosovo. Or any addition to the already stated claims over Iraq.

Great thing about threse phantom shoot downs is its easy to track aircraft serials.