Steve RushHi Chris,
the following lists all of the KLu F-86K write-offs that I was able to find using Scramble’s excellent database:
Q-239 F-86K-15-NF 213-9 702 Sqn w/o 16mar61
Q-250 F-86K-15-NF 213-20 702 Sqn w/o
Q-252 F-86K-17-NF 213-22 701 Sqn w/o 14oct60
Q-255 F-86K-17-NF 213-25 700 Sqn w/o 07may63
Q-263 F-86K-17-NF 213-33 700 Sqn w/o 13jul56
Q-264 F-86K-17-NF 213-34 700 Sqn w/o 29jun56
Q-269 F-86K-17-NF 213-39 700 Sqn w/o 29jan58
Q-286 F-86K-18-NF 213-56 701 Sqn w/o 28aug61
Q-293 F-86K-18-NF 213-63 700 Sqn w/o 02jan64
Q-308 F-86K-19-NF 213-78 700 Sqn w/o 07may63
Q-311 F-86K-19-NF 213-81 701 Sqn w/o 12aug58
Q-321 F-86K-19-NF 213-91 702 Sqn w/o 10jan62
Q-322 F-86K-19-NF 213-92 700 Sqn w/o 02jan64
Q-325 F-86K-19-NF 213-95 700 Sqn w/o 25jul63
Q-340 F-86K-19-NF 213-110 700 Sqn w/o 01jul63
Q-349 F-86K-19-NF 213-119 702 Sqn w/o 24feb61
Q-885 F-86K-1 232-5 700 Sqn w/o 28jan60
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Steve Rush
Steve RushShould that item prove to be accurate, it will be some timely good news for the 160th SOAR(A) Nightstalkers.
2006 hadn’t been a good year for the unit so far. I don’t think either incident has been mentioned on the forum so far, but the 1-160th lost an MH-6M MELB (shot down in Iraq: two crew killed) and the 3-160th a brand-new MH-47G Chinook (hit a TV aerial in Georgia, USA: four of five aboard lost their lives).
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Steve Rush
Steve RushShould that item prove to be accurate, it will be some timely good news for the 160th SOAR(A) Nightstalkers.
2006 hadn’t been a good year for the unit so far. I don’t think either incident has been mentioned on the forum so far, but the 1-160th lost an MH-6M MELB (shot down in Iraq: two crew killed) and the 3-160th a brand-new MH-47G Chinook (hit a TV aerial in Georgia, USA: four of five aboard lost their lives).
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Steve Rush
Steve Rushbestill by beating heart…is that Chadian SF-260s??… in Chad?? very nice to see more that one in the same spot… anyone have pics of the 2 (i believe) Chadian PC-7s?
That’s one of the Chadian PC-7s on the extreme right of the picture (well, most of one anyway)!
I’ve actually seen both the Chadian PC-7s: they were brought to Reims-Prunay in France several years ago (for rebuild/overhaul with Reims-Cessna) but one (TT-QAA) ended-up sitting in a hangar gathering dust. As far as I’m aware the other, TT-QAB returned to Chad but was subsequently damaged in an accident.
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Steve Rushthe Russian name wasnt much better.. ANT !!!!!!!!!. 🙂
The Russian name ‘Antei’ (or ‘Antey’) comes from the name Antheus, a giant in Greek mythology.
The only drawback with this name, that seemed to be overlooked, is that Antheus lost his strength when not in contact with the ground.
Gauntlet; yes, I believe that is the case re An-22 ops. The type was involved in ferrying the Russian peace-keeping contingent to Sudan very recently and, I believe, also conducted flights into Afghanistan at the end of last year.
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Steve Rush
Steve RushTo replace Lynx and Super Frelon. 27 ordered so far.
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Steve RushAnd what about the Turkish-built 295 that crashed there?
There have been three Turkish CN.235 accidents. My original post was about civilian-operated CN.235s, not military. In total nine have been lost; seven military, two civilian.
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Steve RushJa: the figures I use are industry ones, provided by a company which monitors wordlwide aircraft losses for insurance purposes. If it was a CN235 which suffered brake failure “in Africa” it wasn’t a write-off and nor were there any fatalities. The fact remains that two have been lost in 18 years of civilian service. A total of 70 CASA 212s have been lost in accidents (make that 71 in fact: another crashed on landing in Indonesia on Monday).
BME330: less than a handful of G.222s remain in service. Added to these are the handful of C-27A that the US Department of State continue to operate in South America (Colombia and Peru).
I know this is a PR release (dated yesterday, from Raytheon) but the figures speak for themselves:
Team JCA’s C-295/CN-235 Transport Aircraft Fleet Completes 1 Million Flights
The worldwide fleet of C-295/CN-235 military transport aircraft has completed 1 million flights as these hardworking battlefield airlifters demonstrate their reliability and versatility in daily service with NATO coalition forces and other operators around the globe.
More than 260 C-295s and CN-235s are used in a full range of tactical applications, from special mission service and troop rotations in Iraq and Afghanistan to international humanitarian and MEDEVAC (medical evacuation) flights, maritime patrol duties, peacekeeping operations, and logistics support.
The C-295/CN-235 is being offered by the Team JCA (Joint Cargo Aircraft) partnership of Raytheon and EADS CASA North America for the U.S. Army-Air Force Joint Cargo Aircraft intratheater lift mission. Team JCA also offers the proven intratheater performance that is necessary for effectively reaching the last tactical mile of combat operations in support of U.S. military forces.
“While others promise, the C-295 and CN-235 perform every day – delivering the highest reliability and interoperability of any aircraft in their category,” said Jon Jones, president of Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems. “The one millionth flight milestone is another demonstration that the C-295 and CN-235 deliver mission assurance in some of the most demanding conditions for an aircraft.”
“Whether it is combat transport, medical evacuation or humanitarian assistance, military forces around the world trust the C-295 and CN-235 aircraft to successfully complete their most demanding missions,” said Ralph Crosby, chairman and CEO of EADS North America. “That trust is earned every day in the most demanding and dangerous operational environments.”
The CN-235 has been operational since 1987, and the 220 aircraft delivered to date are flown by 30 military and governmental operators in 24 countries, including Chile, France, Malaysia, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, and Turkey. Long-term production of the CN-235 is guaranteed by new orders, including as many as 36 for the U.S. Coast Guard’s next-generation Maritime Patrol Aircraft, which will be built through 2017 for the Integrated Deepwater System modernization program.
The C-295 entered service in 2001 and is flown by Spain, Poland and Jordan. The only two-engine, five-pallet aircraft in its class, the C-295 has a growing list of customers that includes Brazil, Portugal and most recently Finland — which last month announced its selection of the C-295 following a competitive selection that bested the C-27J.
Examples of C-295 and CN-235 operations include tactical support in Afghanistan, Iraq, Croatia, Kosovo and Korea; United Nations peacekeeping duties in Rwanda; post-tsunami delivery of humanitarian supplies to Indonesia; and evacuation flights during ethnic conflict in Benin.
Steve Rush
Steve RushI’d love to see this too, but……
I think the mainstream French press have now delcared “possible” sales to Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Algeria and Tunisia. IIRC I think Libya has even been mentioned in passing, no doubt due to their Dassault heritage in the 1970s & 80s.
Let’s see what happens…..
Steve Rush
Steve RushI can actually verify that, loot at how many C-235/295’s have crashed in Civilian service, there are more of them falling out of the sky than there are DC-10! And that is saying something!!!
Two have crashed in almost 18 years of service: one in Indonesia, one in Spain.
I hope the CASA/EADS legal team don’t see your post :p
Steve Rush
Steve RushT-50 as a hint?
Precisely. He also confirmed that talks were proceeding well and were “at an advanced stage”.
I don’t know if readers here were aware that the RoKAF and the UAEAF&AD also signed an MoU last November for UAE pilots to undergo conversion and combat-readiness training in Korea on KF-16s?
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Steve Rush
Steve RushMaj. Gen. Khaled Al-Bu Ainain, the commander of the UAEAF&AD, went on record over a year ago to say that their preference was for a trainer that could fly at supersonic speeds. He also stated that the role would be; “lead-in trainer, light fighter and close air support”.
Steve Rush
Steve RushThe F-16 in Polish trim with the excellent air to ground package they ordered…..Is plenty powerful.
Indeed it is.
What’s all the talk in this thread of Gripen, Typhoon, Rafale etc?! The deal is done, dusted and delivery of the first Vipers to Poland only a matter of weeks away.
Unless someone knows otherwise Poland isn’t in the market for more combat aircraft, and won’t be for some years yet.
Keeping the beloved SU-22 around too much longer doesn’t make a lot of sense.
The latest rumour is that the Fitters probably won’t be around for even as long as was recently envisaged: I don’t think it’s been confirmed (officially anyway) but the Fitter may well disappear from the inventory as soon as the third and final F-16 squadron becomes operational.
Steve Rush
Steve RushI was always wondering..
Why is Poland the only remaining Su-22 user out of all the former Warsaw Pact members. The others have retired theirs, so what was Poland’s reason/intentions for keeping them?
Nobody else had more than a squadron’s worth: retiring them was fairly painless. They also operated with WP air forces which have downsized considerably.
On the other hand Poland had around 100 Su-22 airframes still extant plus, just as importantly, the engineering support and know-how at Wojskowe Zaklady Lotnicze number two (WZL-2 at Bydgoszcz) to carry out complete depot-level overhauls on their Fitters.
Withdrawing the Fitters would have seen another four Polish tactical fighter squadrons disappearing at a time when the air force was already feeling pretty severe cuts with the withdrawal of the MiG-21 and MiG-23 aircraft.
Steve Rush
Steve RushThanks for the comments and input about the Hueys, Guys: much appreciated.
As for new trainers: have the HAF definitely decided to go it alone and purchase their own LIFT aircraft? I was under the impression that they were one of the air arms awaiting developments of the “Eurotrainer” proposal.
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Steve Rush
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