Driving fast cars and ice skating

Aren’t you muddling conjecture with evidence?

Here’s a story from the web…http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/09/09/arctic-sea-ice-up-60-percent-in-2013/

Of course many will immediately decry it because it was on the Fox/Sky website.
The pro-warming crowd won’t believe anything that doesn’t come from media outlets they agree with. Which causes more skepticism from the anti-warming faction.
Even the Guardian article admits that technically, there is more ice, then works to discredit that fact to make its case. There either is more ice or there isn’t.
And so it goes. People are going to believe who they want to believe. There appears to be no real honest brokers on this subject. Everyone seems to has a vested interest…

Well, if that quote was from a sourxe as reliably accurate as the Guardian, that’s good enough for me and you can tell that to the Marines.

Equally truthfull is anything emerging from the IPCC and any organisation such as a university, funded by that same august body. The Marines will appreciate that one as well.

Now what was that about delusional journalism ?

Well the statistic is correct. But as I already said the context was omitted. So journalistic license all round with each organ preaching its own agenda.

And for one or two of you no, it wasn’t published in the world’s second best newspaper: The Daily Grail.

Must have been the Telegraph then?

When it comes to climate science reporting, the Mail on Sunday and Telegraph are only reliable in the sense that you can rely on them to usually get the science wrong. This weekend’s Arctic sea ice articles from David Rose of the Mail and Hayley Dixon at the Telegraph unfortunately fit that pattern.

Both articles claimed that Arctic sea ice extent grew 60 percent in August 2013 as compared to August 2012.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2013/sep/09/climate-change-arctic-sea-ice-delusions

Moggy

Has to be said driving a car at say 80mph CO2 output isn’t that bad, compared to accelerating hard to get to 80.

Speed isn’t the problem, it’s how you get there. The problem with this CO2 problem, If there is one, is the cutting down of the rain forests, AKA known as the lungs of the world.

Ah! That is not the graph I linked to.

There is no forecast for the rest of this year.

Follow the blue 2013 line, and you’ll see it goes to the end of October.

I’m a formidable opponent Jim, not to be taken lightly or, should that be darkly or, then again, whitely or blackly.

Let me refer you to Lazarus and JC

And for one or two of you no, it wasn’t published in the world’s second best newspaper: The Daily Grail.

. Nothing is that black – or, that white !

I firmly believe the Obituary column in our local rag John. Def black and white.
Get out of that one..:D
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Not sure to what you are referring.

The NSIDC text reads as follows:

“Sea ice extent for August 2013 averaged 6.09 million square kilometers (2.35 million square miles). This was 1.03 million square kilometers (398,000 square miles) below the 1981 to 2010 average for August, but well above the level recorded last year, which was the lowest September extent in the satellite record. Ice extent this August was similar to the years 2008 to 2010. These contrasts in ice extent from one year to the next highlight the year-to-year variability attending the overall, long-term decline in sea ice extent.”

And the graph here compares this year to date with previous years: http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

There is no forecast for the rest of this year.

The problem is always people posting stuff without checking facts first, then the gullible requoting / retelling it in the naive belief it is ‘fact’

Rather like not looking closely enough at the graph, which shows that, at today’s date, the ice level is now greater than any of the previous five years, not just last year? Also, I note that the graph shows the level (dipping, what a surprise) right to the end of this October, which is another 50 days away; I think I’ll ask them to do my lottery numbers. Remember that it was their forecasts which led the BBC to tell us that the Arctic would be completely free of ice by the end of this year.
In the 1960s, shrieking headlines told us we were heading for the next Ice Age; last year we were told to expect the worst droughts in history; this year we were to have more floods than ever before.
Tomorrow it will be Thursday, September 12th., and that’s as far as my prediction will go.

I think it always best to try to check the facts – it’s not always possible or easy, I would agree. However in one of the cases it cleaarly was black instead of white.

When it comes to the publication of news – from any source, we shouldn’t be to prescriptive. Nothing is that black – or, that white !

Moggy – to be entirely objective, both items were widely reported including by the august BBC, which, as we all know, is the paragon of accuracy – not!!

Ah, Gotcha now, it was on the BBC news a few weeks ago.Also in Auto Express, (Which all petrol heads subscribe to)
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Quite so.

The problem is always people posting stuff without checking facts first, then the gullible requoting / retelling it in the naive belief it is ‘fact’

But as a golden rule, look very closely at anything published by the Mail. It will almost certainly be a skewed view.

Moggy

Precisely. As you will read in the detailed reports from the site I linked. Indeed your site refers to the recordings made by the Boulder team.

Context such as the fact that 2012 was the worst year for Arctic summer sea ice since satellite recording has been possible?

http://phys.org/news/2012-08-arctic-summer-sea-ice.html

From the site you linked ” Ice extent is still well above last year’s level (2012), but below the 1981 to 2010 average” Not quite the upbeat picture given to victims of The Daily Mail

Moggy

Limiters a non-story – for sure. But the ice story is quite true, according to that website, which I believe is the key source for matters Arctic. But of course every story needs its context!